I would normally put this in the political forum, but since it permeates through to every aspect of moden day life in the West, I thought it belongs here.
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
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I would normally put this in the political forum, but since it permeates through to every aspect of moden day life in the West, I thought it belongs here.
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
Yeh I know, political correctness sucks (no offense to prostitutes intended).
I have heard that PC is getting pretty bad in UK.
I took this off a forum for Australian police officers.
Quote:
Police to brief Muslims before terror raids
Abul Taher
POLICE have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.
Members will be security vetted and will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown. They will not have to sign the Official Secrets Act.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 71,00.html
little green footballs
I hope it is not going to go like that in Russia.Quote:
henell
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 04:18 AM
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What utter garbage mad.gif Do they consult the Methodists, Catholics et al prior to busting one of their faithful? Do this mob have more sensitive feelings than the rest of humanity? Quite frankly from my perspective, if they dont like the status quo, there are plenty of means of transport back to where they would feel comfortable.
The authorities seem to approach this mob with trepidation and over much concern for their finer sensibilities. I wonder if the same courtesies would be extended to infidels in Islamic states?
For example I wonder what would be the result of drinking alcohol in public in Saudi Arabia or a woman walking around in shorts with her head uncovered? A swift introduction to a cane no doubt mad.gif
Visitors and residents there are expected to conform with local custom. Why not the reverse in western society?
The answer is political correctness to the revolting nth degree. It only serves to have these people view this perceived weakness with contempt................and who could blame them? In their shoes I would do the same mad.gif Surely in a western society, the norms of western society should also be observed?
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Henell
Ein andere Bonus Tag....Arbeit?...Was ist das?
Never argue with an idiot, you'll only educate the b....rd
[/quote:2631y9u4]Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
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While I agree that sometimes PC has been taken to extremes, it doesn't mean there should be none whatsoever. Especially at work it is important, to make sure the work environment is all-inclusive.
I think you should get fired if you keep calling gay people for 'poofs' or any other pejorative labels. You might not like gay people, but that is your problem and you don't have to insult fellow humans beacuse you have personal problems! Same goes for race, sex, age or any other things you might find 'unlikeable'.
You can't too worked up over the word "poofs" Klinky! Everybody calls everybody a poof over there, including the poofs. That's what makes things so much fun. I have also noticed people here misjudging our friend тату on his remarks too. It's different culture. You really can't judge things by American standards.
Well, I hear black people (and I have permission from them to call them that ;)) call each other for 'n!gger', but I don't feel like dying just yet...
But 'poof' I don't know, as long it isn't meant in a pejorative way and is not conceived to be so then it is fine. Apparently it wasn't conceived so, therefore the reprimand...
Меня раздражает, когда люди сердятся на меня за то, что использую слово "gay", чтобы говорить о чем-нибудь неприятном. Я даже не думаю про геев когда так говорю, это просто дополнительное современное значение слова. Также слово "retarded" должно быть совершенно допустимым!
I know what you are saying klinky but there is a different kind of comraderie amongst the English and Aussies and Kiwis. I fear that if American PCness creeps into these countries that this comradery will be finished and subsequently those cultures will blend into an American version of such.
[quote=GabCNesbitt]
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
Crikies! Did I miss something? How did we get to anti-semitism here?
Easy. Just take the PC away, and you'll be there in no time. I don't think people fully understand that certain rules make civilization what it is now, and take everything for granted. You want full freedom and zero accountability - go to Russia and enjoy being royally screwed. Russia of 90's would be a better choice, certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
And for that priceless little passage
I'd personally kick GabCNesbitt's bony fascist ass. How's that for being honest?Quote:
Originally Posted by GabCNesbitt
For all those who understand Russian I recommend this splendid essay: Толстая Татьяна. Политическая корректность
A little quotation:
В своей статье для американского журнала я как-то процитировала строку Пушкина: "Потомок негров безобразный". Мне позвонил редактор: "Вы что, с ума сошли? Я не могу напечатать эти слова". -- "Но Пушкин это сказал о себе". -- "Этого не может быть". -- "Может". -- Молчание. -- "Снимите строку". -- "Не сниму". -- "Тогда давайте напечатаем вашу статью под другой фамилией". -- "Тогда я вообще снимаю свою статью и напечатаю ее в другом
месте, сославшись на вашу цензуру. -- "Это тоже невозможно. Слушайте, ваш Пушкин что, расист?" -- "Наш Пушкин -- эфиоп". --Долгое молчание. --"Слушайте, без этой строки ваша статья только улучшится. Поверьте мне, старому редактору". Долгий визг с моей стороны о том, что я это уже семьдесят лет слышу, и что советская власть, и тоталитарный режим, и Главлит. и Николай Первый, и кишиневская ссылка, и понятно что. И что я от
бабушки ушел, и от дедушки ушел, а от тебя, политическая правильность, и подавно уйду. Визг не помогает. Тогда я меняю тактику и, холодно, злобно, раздельно: "Так. Мало того, что черных вы, белые, держали в рабстве в течение трехсот лет. Теперь вы затыкаете рот единственному русскому черному поэту, томившемуся в неволе среди берез тоталитарного строя. Вот он, расизм. Вот она, сегрегация. Генерал Ли сдался, а вы -- нет. Мы что, в Алабаме?.." Пушкина напечатали. :D
PC sucks!
It brings up a society of hypocrites. Does it really matter if I say 'gay' or 'queer'? I think the same of him. And have an attitude of my own.
So, whose problems are this? Mine or of the man (or woman) who takes offence? I have a right to dislike any man or social group. I have a right to speak openly of my feelings. Isn't that about freedom of speech (and of thought for that matter)?
If somebody dislikes my sayings - that's just too bad. If some anglo-saxon southern republican of a high rank says "afro-american" he thinks "n!gger". That won't going change even by forcing him to use politically correct terms. In time, new terms will be needed since the current ones are going to have that same pejorative meanings.
Every man has an absolute and undisputed right to say what he wants where he wants and when he wants. Otherwise, democracy ends right here and now.
[quote=GabCNesbitt]I would normally put this in the political forum, but since it permeates through to every aspect of moden day life in the West, I thought it belongs here.
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
Make civilization what it is now? Well I donQuote:
Originally Posted by adoc
[quote=Dagest][quote=GabCNesbitt]I would normally put this in the political forum, but since it permeates through to every aspect of moden day life in the West, I thought it belongs here.
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
[quote=GabCNesbitt][quote=Dagest][quote=GabCNesbitt]I would normally put this in the political forum, but since it permeates through to every aspect of moden day life in the West, I thought it belongs here.
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
Hold on y'all... let me put my robe on, and get my guitar... would you like to hear some Johnny Horton's songs??? :wink:
[quote=Dagest][quote=GabCNesbitt][quote=Dagest][quote=GabCNesbitt]I would normally put this in the political forum, but since it permeates through to every aspect of moden day life in the West, I thought it belongs here.
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
Nobody is forcing you to like someone you don't like. If we look aside of your ignorant prejudices, because that is what they are, there are many reasons why you should be PC in public places. Take work for example, if you go around spreading your hatred for, say, left-handed people calling them "mother f--king lefties!", do you think they would want to work around you anymore? No. So they quit and you are happy, good for you! However, the company you work for relies on these people who are in no way responsible for what they are (be they left-handed, jews, blacks, gringos, women, etc.) for work. Your crazy attitudes hurt the company. Therefore YOU are the one who should be fired. Now if you would just control your hatred and be PC, you could all work for the same company and business would flourish. That is the whole business imperative of PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Anyway, I don't see why you want to openly insult people, even if you don't like him (esp. for no other reason than his skin color, for example). Freedom of speech wasn't invented for people to be rude to each other, does the insulted person really have to beat you up for you to understand that? :wink:
Politically correct phrases:
http://www.pcphrases.com/
PC in action.
(This joke was posted by Lampada a while back):
В американской булочной:
- Мне батон и полчерного! Извиняюсь, половинку афробуханки!
[quote=GabCNesbitt][quote=Dagest][quote=GabCNesbitt][quote=Dagest][quote=GabCNesbitt]I would normally put this in the political forum, but since it permeates through to every aspect of moden day life in the West, I thought it belongs here.
I heard the news today, oh boy, (enough of The Beatles), but it
Lets get one thing straight here!
PC is really just another word for Lefty Liberal Concepts. Those that support being PC are generally (note to all: I said generally) Ultra Left Wing in their politics. Those that don't support it are generally further to the Right. It is pretty obvious that Daget has figured this out by his attack on Gabcnesbitt.
So what this is all really boils down to is politics, as usual, and the Loony Left jump at any and every opportunity to smear and belittle anyone who even whispers their discontent with political correctness or any other hippy, new age, feel good drivel imposed on the rest of us, as Satan worshipping baby killers.
Well, there is only one way to fight this insanity and that is to fight fire with fire.
So, Dagest....go schmuk yourself! And please don't emmigrate to Australia, it is fvked up enough thgere already.
And Gabcnesbitt, if you are really an anti-semite as Adoc thinks then I can't support you because I proudly support Israel.
Ramil: I loved your post!! :thumbs:
I don't recall defending PC. I objected to the assertion that immigrants are flooding the country. In my opinion the ultra-left would defend free speech above all else (I'm not talking about Stalinists here). History has taught us that it's the Right who have the bigger problem with free speech. PC in this country had been intiated by the New Labour clique, who are far removed from the ultra-left. PC is nothing but a New Labour gloss, which likes to pretend that social divisions don't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
I wouldn't move to Australia as I hear it has a real racism problem.
Kalinka, I was afraid some people would think of me as of a man full of ignorant prejudices. I deliberately exaggerated things a little in order to emboss the futility of any PC policy. PC won't going to change people's attitudes and thoughts. PC will push the hatred and prejudices deeper and shield it with the mask of hypocrisy. That's going to boil more and more until it explodes and a man will take his gun and shoot several innocent girls in a school. I'm not a prejudiced man, Kalinka, I just defend those who are. Personally, I prefer people who hate me to say it right into my face.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
PC is about not marginalizing people -- consists in "minding one's manners."
But I wouldn't try to deal with PIC except case by case -- preemption is a bit futile. Legal codification and generalization, and concrete-ization, in an area so touchy and fluxy is a bit of a lost cause.
That said...and to change gears...
DDT...didn't you know? The entire establishment of the state of Israel was a crime against humanity.
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Originally Posted by Ramil
I hope you are not joking because it is true.Quote:
DDT...didn't you know? The entire establishment of the state of Israel was a crime against humanity.
Oh yeah.
Here, DDT:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SShRR7sInsc
Suicide bombings are despicable...but helicopters/airplanes/tanks and rifles have the same effect.
There are Palestianians and Zionists who will burn side by side in hell.
Not joking, Charlestonian. Edited out the smileys just to make sure my point is made!
You are entitled to your opinion, but there are enough people who do not care what you think. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
Fine with me. You have your opinion, and I have mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
[quote=GabCNesbitt]
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That's where you are wrong, PC IS helping people's attitudes and thoughts. But first let me say that a person filled with hatred has some serious personal problems and needs help. Hatred is a very strong emotion and is very dangerous. I think people who say 'I hate such and such' really don't understand what they are saying. If you seriously hate gay people or chinese or whatever, then you should seek help. If not, you'll probably end up as a skinhead and attack random people on the street. Oh, the freedom of speech and thought!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Why is PC helping? Because it forces you to think twice of what you say, it teaches you respect for your fellow humans. Heck, wasn't this all your beloved communism all about, being good to "the humanity"? If you think that spreading hatred and insults is a civilized way of living and going to make your problems go away, you, sir, are delusional.
Anyway, PC is not a law, do as you like. Call black people for 'n!ggers' if you like, we'll see how far your prejudices will get you. I, personally, am glad that I can go to work and not be ridiculed for being blond (f.ex.). I am so much more productive that way!
Lastly, regardless of immigration, we are living in a world that is becoming more global by the minute. If you are an American and hate pink commie bastards and keeping professing your beliefs that all Russians are commies (like someone on this board), you are just going to spread resentment, anger and lose respect. All educated people know that people are different, have different beliefs and have different prejudices. There is no reason why you should be more right than others.
Can't we just all get along?
[quote=adoc][quote=GabCNesbitt]
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Ok, GabCNesbitt, let's talk about your problems.
Who do you hate and why? Let's not be PC here. Just immigrants in general, or a particular group?
Fine with me. You have your opinion, and I have mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Yeah, Israel rules :D. Israel is so brave, as long as America supports it... Send all the Jews over there! What are they doing in other countries? They should go to their homeland. I bet they don't want to go there, huh? Oh, they can defend Israel, as long they are not there. So, their "patriotism" is all talk... Phony, phony, phony. (Moderated. L.)
http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repo...-banni-458.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian