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Obama's visit to Russia - Your Thoughts??
SO, as of last night and this morning, there were basically three things on local Washington, D.C. area TV news:
1. Michael Jackson
2. Marion Barry arrested, yet again
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3. Obama's visit to Russia, including the fact that he brought his daughters with him. Maybe they wanted to see the bears walking down the streets! :D
So once again... I am coming straight to the source and asking for your thoughts on all of this... so please answer away!
So, what kind of covereage is his trip getting there?
What do you think will come of all of this?
Is his visit really a big deal to the Russian people; and, by bringing his wife and kids does that make it more "special" in any way?
"They" already said here that Obama has "insulted" Putin. With the "One foot in the past and one foot in the future" comment. How did that go over there with the people and in the press? And what did you think of Putin's response of "We cannot be doing the splits. Instead we are our firmly planting our feet and facing the future."
Other comments thoughts on Obama's visit???
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So far the Russian coverage is that there are no real issues to discuss. Both countries are so different on the political front that the visit is more about establishing a personal contact between the leaders.
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Originally Posted by MasterAdmin
So far the Russian coverage is that there are no real issues to discuss. Both countries are so different on the political front that the visit is more about establishing a personal contact between the leaders.
Yes, more likely they simply need to get to know each other.
But there's also START negotiations in the agenda. They may even sign it.
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Originally Posted by Ramil
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Originally Posted by MasterAdmin
So far the Russian coverage is that there are no real issues to discuss. Both countries are so different on the political front that the visit is more about establishing a personal contact between the leaders.
Yes, more likely they simply need to get to know each other.
But there's also START negotiations in the agenda. They may even sign it.
Ramil... thank you for teaching me a new a new acronym... I had not heard Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty referred to as START....
So, instead of learning Russian, I am learning technology like "Unused computer time," history, that bears no longer roam the streets (you are certain about this?), and that many Russians... are not EVIL - just stubborn as all and upon occasion... you might actually catch one smiling… but if there is no one there to be your witness, it will be denied at all costs. :spiteful:
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Originally Posted by rockzmom
1. Michael Jackson
It's sooooooooooooo drag.
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Originally Posted by rockzmom
What a splendid mayor! :D
Crack, marijuana, stalking, tax evasion...
:crazy: A very busy person. :lol:
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Originally Posted by Ramil
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Originally Posted by rockzmom
What a splendid mayor! :D
Crack, marijuana, stalking, tax evasion...
:crazy: A very busy person. :lol:
Yes! The people of Washington, D.C. LOVE him even after he served six months in a federal prison, he was elected to the D.C. city council in 1992 and THEN, and THEN, he became MAYOR AGAIN in 1994. These days he is back on the City Council even though he has the whole Tax Evasion problems and was pulled over by the Secret Service for possible drunk driving. They call him "Mayor for Life." Is he not the perfect example of a role model for the young black male youth of D.C.?
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Originally Posted by Martin Miles
Someone in my family wants to get an idea of how the American president is being received in Russia and how he is regarded there.
Very very well.
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When I was reading Izvestia last year during the campaign I remember them quoting experts saying that Mc Cain would be better for Russia to deal with.
I heard such opinion too. But I actually think that they ensured themselves in case if Obama would win and would not be as good as he seemed. :D
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I find it curious that Russians should be doing searches linking the keywords 'Obama' and 'antichrist' as I mentioned somewhere else. Maybe his political enemies back home might consider that line of attack.
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O'Bama and idiot are good search terms. He is a puppet of the tax and spend to death American Democratics. Medvedev is Putin-Lite. Same old, same old. Best is for the people to talk, but politburo and congress is perverse and stop us.
Russia and USA get rid of some old nukes; that's good for money... Keep Iran and North Korea nuke-free is important. Fuckin nut-jobs will start a war!
I read that Americans trust/don't trust Russia... Russians trust/don't trust America.
Pravda or New York Times... :wall:
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Originally Posted by capecoddah
O'Bama and idiot are good search terms. He is a puppet of the tax and spend to death American Democratics. Medvedev is Putin-Lite. Same old, same old. Best is for the people to talk, but politburo and congress is perverse and stop us.
Russia and USA get rid of some old nukes; that's good for money... Keep Iran and North Korea nuke-free is important. @@@@ nut-jobs will start a war!
I read that Americans trust/don't trust Russia... Russians trust/don't trust America.
Pravda or New York Times... :wall:
My God, how much hate...
Until people like you exist, probability of war remains, indeed.
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With regard to the "Mayor for life", I would think that people living in the former Soviet Union should be quite familiar with the issue of corrupt officials. Matthew Chance, CNN's Moscow correspondent, recently complained in an interview that everyone in Russia, from the senior office holder to the traffic cop, everyone takes bribes. Meanwhile in the Ukraine, Yulia Timoshenko, the prime minister and presidential candidate, is someone who narrowly escaped conviction for embezzlement and corruption not once, but twice. A great role model for Ukranian young women.
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Оля wrote: Until people like you exist, probability of war remains, indeed.
Correct is: WHILE people like you exist, THE probability of war remains, indeed. I'm not a grammarian, but I think the rule is that the subordinative conjunction 'until' is only used to introduce a temporal clause when the main clause expresses a negation; for example, : I will not let you watch television, until you have finished your homework. 'As long as' or 'while' can be used with or without a negation in the main clause.
More natural: While people like you exist, truly, the probability of war remains.
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Oh well, for Obama...
He should have probably hired a Russian PR company and posted on MasterRussian forum before his visit to Russia :)
"We are maybe the one country in the world where there is no Obamamania," Sergei Markov, a parliamentary deputy from the ruling United Russia party, told Reuters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Bara ... AC20090707
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Originally Posted by Martin Miles
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Оля wrote: Until people like you exist, probability of war remains, indeed.
Correct is: WHILE people like you exist, THE probability of war remains, indeed. I'm not a grammarian, but I think the rule is that the subordinative conjunction 'until' is only used to introduce a temporal clause when the main clause expresses a negation; for example, : I will
not let you watch television,
until you have finished your homework. 'As long as' or 'while' can be used with or without a negation in the main clause.
More natural: While people like you exist, truly, the probability of war remains.
Yeah :)
Anyone who is familiar with at least one programming language is aware of the difference between while and until loops. )))
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Originally Posted by Ramil
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Originally Posted by Martin Miles
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Оля wrote: Until people like you exist, probability of war remains, indeed.
Correct is: WHILE people like you exist, THE probability of war remains, indeed. I'm not a grammarian, but I think the rule is that the subordinative conjunction 'until' is only used to introduce a temporal clause when the main clause expresses a negation; for example, : I will
not let you watch television,
until you have finished your homework. 'As long as' or 'while' can be used with or without a negation in the main clause.
More natural: While people like you exist, truly, the probability of war remains.
Yeah :)
Anyone who is familiar with at least one programming language is aware of the difference between while and until loops. )))
Actually I was wrong. Again, I am not quoting from a grammar, but 'until' CAN be used to introduce a temporal clause with or without a negation in the main clause e.g., You can watch television, until your father comes home. It seems as though 'until' does not introduce a temporal clause that has a main verb signifying being or existence. So you can say either:
As long as you exist, war is likely, or:
Until he is dead, war is likely, but not:
Until you exist, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ramil
Anyone who is familiar with at least one programming language...
I am, by the way. :oops:
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Originally Posted by Ramil
Anyone who is familiar with at least one programming language is aware of the difference between while and until loops.
Oh, really? I've never met "until" loops in ANSI (American National Standards Institute) C programming language. :no:
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCup
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Originally Posted by Ramil
Anyone who is familiar with at least one programming language is aware of the difference between while and until loops.
Oh, really? I've never met "until" loops in ANSI (American National Standards Institute) C programming language. :no:
Fossils like you excluded then :mrgreen:
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Originally Posted by Ramil
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCup
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Originally Posted by Ramil
Anyone who is familiar with at least one programming language is aware of the difference between while and until loops.
Oh, really? I've never met "until" loops in ANSI (American National Standards Institute) C programming language. :no:
Fossils like you excluded then :mrgreen:
Паскаль форева, барак - Обаме!
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Originally Posted by Ramil
Fossils like you excluded then :mrgreen:
This spares me the necessity of mentioning that there wasn't any loops except for "for...next" in the first BASIC-like programming language I get acquainted with. :)
Another thing I remember about it: it had the "goto" operator, and an acquaintance of mine, who didn't know any programming but knew some English, asked me what it did. I explained, and he said that people who invented that language didn't know English (meaning "go to").
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Originally Posted by E-learner
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Originally Posted by Ramil
Fossils like you excluded then :mrgreen:
This spares me the necessity of mentioning that there wasn't any loops except for "for...next" in the first BASIC-like programming language I get acquainted with. :)
Another thing I remember about it: it had the "goto" operator, and an acquaintance of mine, who didn't know any programming but knew some English, asked me what it did. I explained, and he said that people who invented that language didn't know English (meaning "go to").
By the way, BASIC wasn't originally inended for computers.
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Fossils like you excluded then
Хм...
С/C++ has no "until" keyword:
C keywords:
Code:
auto double int struct break else long switch
register tupedef char extern return void case float
unsigned default for signed union do if sizeof
volatile continue enum short while
C++ keywords:
Code:
asm auto break case catch class const continue default do else enum explicit extern for friend goto if inline main mutable namespace operator private protected public register return static struct switch template this throw try typedef union using virtual void volatile while
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Originally Posted by Звездочёт
С/C++ has no "until" keyword [...]
The role of the until loop is taken on by the do-while loop in C. Their expressive power is equal. :pardon:
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Originally Posted by Ramil
Anyone who is familiar with at least one programming language is aware of the difference between while and until loops.
What you probably meant was the difference between the "while" and "until" loop keywords which act like operators that evaluate the exit condition from the loop. When converted to the machine-bytecode-intermediate language, the "while-generated" condition would be the logical negation of the "until-generated".
The real difference between the while and until loops is whether the entry point to the loop is conditional (while) or unconditional (until).
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The role of the until loop is taken on by the do-while loop in C. Their expressive power is equal.
I know. I wanted to rehabilitate CoffeeCup :)
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Originally Posted by Звездочёт
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The role of the until loop is taken on by the do-while loop in C. Their expressive power is equal.
I know. I wanted to rehabilitate CoffeeCup :)
All paths lead to C. Even those which start from Obama. :beer:
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All paths lead to C. Even those which start from Obama.
The ways of the C are inscrutable. :)
But with regard to Obama, I don't believe him now. So, will see...
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Originally Posted by Звездочёт
The ways of the C are inscrutable. :)
Воистину. :roll:
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Originally Posted by Звездочёт
But with regard to Obama, I don't believe him now.
Just curious... had you believed him before? If yes, what happened that just changed your mind? And also, what was there exactly to believe?
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Originally Posted by Crocodile
... And also, what was there exactly to believe?
Good intentions?
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Originally Posted by Lampada
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Originally Posted by Crocodile
... And also, what was there exactly to believe?
Good intentions?
If you remember our last talk I was very skeptical about him then. Now it seems that he's not that bad, especially due to him trying to deliver on his promises. And it's generally a good thing for a politician, even though I might not always agree with him on some subjects. Overall, he seems to me more like a newly elected CEO (in a good way) than a traditional politician. However, don't forget he's just a politician. Power games have their inevitable rules.
Back to the good intentions, perhaps he has them too. But, do you honestly think Hitler or Stalin had bad intentions? Hitler was trying to raise Germany from the fall and the humiliation of the WWI. Stalin was hoping to make a better future for the world spreading the Communism around. Do you see my point? The devil is in the details. What will Obama have to sacrifice in order to achieve his goals? And what would be the consequences? We are yet to see.
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Originally Posted by Crocodile
Just curious... had you believed him before? If yes, what happened that just changed your mind? And also, what was there exactly to believe?
Оh, sorry. I used "now"... It was a mistake. When I was writing I forgot that the "now" means "теперь".
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Оля,
I think this illustrates one of the differences in thinking between American and Russian people. Americans are far more prone to ridicule or demean our politicians than people of other nations. I'd be in favor of giving to Russia at no cost the entire US Senate, and the leadership of the House of Representatives, and you can keep them.
I think this attitude goes back into the early history of the United States. Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about American politics in the 1800's, and one of his statements seems to sum up the way Americans see government, "Government, at best, is a necessary evil."
Too often politicians live as if they are a ruling class, like they are better than normal people, and that bothers most Americans. After 225 years of ridiculing our politicians, it is now so natural, that we'll ridicule politicians from other countries.
I did not think his post was hate filled, it was typical American ridicule at our presidents. The part about START eliminating only old nukes has a basis in fact. Typically these kinds of treaties only dismantle the weapon systems that are near obsolete anyway. SALT and SALT 2 did that.
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Originally Posted by Hangernaid
I think this illustrates one of the differences in thinking between American and Russian people. Americans are far more prone to ridicule or demean our politicians than people of other nations.
I'm a native Russian speaker. *)
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Obama is the quintessential moderate Leftist proud of his African roots and is poised to fight against racism and capitalist exploitation. We should support Obama.
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Interesting post by you here Rockzmom! I really haven't been following American politics, but Obama seems quite decent to me.
Like Crocodile said - lObama made some promises in his campaign and now he seems to actually be trying to see them through. Plus he seems to be looking at improving education and healthcare for regular people in the US.
I know that Russia's media sometimes perhaps goes a little too far in blaming the US for internal problem there - I read some stories which seemed very exaggerated or blown up - For example I am sure that Russians are capable of having concerns about human rights issues without the US orchestrating it...
On the other hand - who can blame Russia for feeling rather vulnerable and under pressure? After several former Soviet countries are in Nato or have US bases on their territory! The Poland/Czech missile situation - had some vague similiarities to the Cuban missile crisis. Nobody wants missiles from a foreign power right on their border.
Imagine if the US went to war in North Korea. Once North Korea had been defeated there'd no doubt be a US base right next to the largest Pacific sea naval base, at Vladivostok which is very close to North Korea. There is already at least one US base in Central Asia, not to mention Afghanistan, and to the West across Eastern Europe.
Several top leaders in many of the former Warsaw pact countries and Balticum are people who in fact grew up in the US and have very strong links with the US government. Obviously that's not going to look so great from a Russian perspective.
This picture that I saw on a blog is supposed to illustrate how Russia has been feeling lately:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9...hze240x170.jpg
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I've read an article about a "chilly welcome" in Russia:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... dChannel=0
Every time the author mentions some polls or opinions, that prove Russians' indifference towards Obama, he promptly adds that these are "state-controlled" sources that say so, clearly implying that Russia's government either lies to people or fool Russians, hiding some vital info from them (like dates of Obama visit). :wacko: Or hints that they are probably afraid that Obama might be more popular among Russians than the president of Russia..
That amazes me. Do some Americans sincerely think, that people should be overexcited, when a leader of a hostile (or at least not entirely friendly) state visits the country? And it's not like he's an American president for life. There will be another one in four or eight years. :crazy:
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Originally Posted by Hangernaid
I think this illustrates one of the differences in thinking between American and Russian people. Americans are far more prone to ridicule or demean our politicians than people of other nations. I'd be in favor of giving to Russia at no cost the entire US Senate, and the leadership of the House of Representatives, and you can keep them.
I would be willing to chip in to pay Russia (or any other country) to take them. I also would not stop at that one branch of government.
Scott
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Originally Posted by heartfelty
Obama is the quintessential moderate Leftist proud of his African roots and is poised to fight against racism and capitalist exploitation. We should support Obama.
So, this means that Barak Bin Obama is the quintessential moderate Marxist ashamed of his White roots and poised to fight for only Black rights and for Socialism! Hmmm! Sounds like a real wiener to me! He should be tarred and feathered and I assure you that he would have been back in 1776.
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Originally Posted by Оля
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Originally Posted by capecoddah
O'Bama and idiot are good search terms. He is a puppet of the tax and spend to death American Democratics. Medvedev is Putin-Lite. Same old, same old. Best is for the people to talk, but politburo and congress is perverse and stop us.
Russia and USA get rid of some old nukes; that's good for money... Keep Iran and North Korea nuke-free is important. @@@@ nut-jobs will start a war!
I read that Americans trust/don't trust Russia... Russians trust/don't trust America.
Pravda or New York Times... :wall:
My God, how much hate...
Until people like you exist, probability of war remains, indeed.
You are the cause of war! It is the stupid "sheeple" of the world who have no clue about human nature and history that allow wars to happen.