Thread: Did your ambassador to iraq give millitary plans to saddam?

I mean plans about the invasion of Iraq, Did Putin approve of this action?

Originally Posted by patriot

I mean plans about the invasion of Iraq, Did Putin approve of this action?

I don't think he did. Most countries didn't. But Putin has greatly benefited from the high oil prices the invasion of Iraq caused; Russia being an oil rich country and all.

Originally Posted by TATY

I don't think he did. Most countries didn't. But Putin has greatly benefited from the high oil prices the invasion of Iraq caused; Russia being an oil rich country and all.

Fallacy. We didn't buy Iraqi oil before the war, so the decrease in supply was not the cause of the increase in prices. Some potential causes of the increasing oil prices include [i]speculation[i] into instability in the oil production industries in the Middle East (namely Saudi Arabia), and general oil speculation extending into the long-term, making price, to a large degree, artificial.

Originally Posted by BlackMage

Originally Posted by TATY

I don't think he did. Most countries didn't. But Putin has greatly benefited from the high oil prices the invasion of Iraq caused; Russia being an oil rich country and all.

Fallacy. We didn't buy Iraqi oil before the war, so the decrease in supply was not the cause of the increase in prices. Some potential causes of the increasing oil prices include [i]speculation[i] into instability in the oil production industries in the Middle East (namely Saudi Arabia), and general oil speculation extending into the long-term, making price, to a large degree, artificial.

Once again America isn't the whole world. And general instability in the Middle East = higher prices, and obvioulsy Iraq has hardly helped the situation in the region.

Attacks on foreigners, e.g. westerners working on oil in countries like Saudi Arabia have dramatically increased since the invasion of Iraq.

I think you guys misunderstood his question. He wants to know whether the Russian Ambassador to Iraq gave them US military invasion plans. Apparently he thinks that the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs runs this site or something... The fact of the matter is, that practically speaking, it doesn't matter -- except that they gave them bogus plans that worked to our advantage. Was Russia doing us a favor in "leaking" the plans? Did Putin want to hobble the US in Iraq? Was it the act of a rogue ambassador who has already been shown to be horribly corrupt? Good luck figuring this one out -- I hope you hold a very high security clearance or enjoy conspiracy fan-sites...

What do you mean we weren't buying Iraqi oil before the war? Haven't you heard of the oil-for-food plan?

It might no practilly be any difference for the US whether Russian diplomats leaked American war plans to Iraq, but it is still a gross international scandal. But what were they doing with the plans in the first place? It can't be the actions of a single person if they had to get the plans from their spy-network... dunno

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

It can't be the actions of a single person if they had to get the plans from their spy-network... dunno

Sure it could. The guy was an Ambassador -- he would presumably have access to such information, since it was really pertinent to the country he was in -- he didn't have to be on a first name basis with the mole in the Pentagon directly. Look: I have no idea. But I don't think you can automatically assume that this was something that came down straight from Putin or Ivanov or whoever -- especially given the fact that this ambassador is dirty...

I think, really, this is about like that story about the Homeland Security perv that was posted earlier: important, but not really something of major international implications. I highly doubt in ten years, or five years, or even a year this is really a big deal. The fact of the matter is this: the US and Russia both want a working-relationship (not to be confused with being best friends and warm and fuzzy feeling); we'll keep criticizing them for doing stuff we don't like, but won't really do much beyond that.

Originally Posted by Barmaley

The fact of the matter is this: the US and Russia both want a working-relationship (not to be confused with being best friends and warm and fuzzy feeling); we'll keep criticizing them for doing stuff we don't like, but won't really do much beyond that.

You know you wrote it as if you are a high-ranking political scientist. Both sides don't care of your criticism.

Originally Posted by Bisquit

Originally Posted by Barmaley

The fact of the matter is this: the US and Russia both want a working-relationship (not to be confused with being best friends and warm and fuzzy feeling); we'll keep criticizing them for doing stuff we don't like, but won't really do much beyond that.

You know you wrote it as if you are a high-ranking political scientist. Both sides don't care of your criticism.

Of my criticism (of which I don't think there was any?) or the US/Western Goverment's criticism? And I wish I was a high-ranking political scientist, since they receive high-ranking salaries...

Originally Posted by patriot

I mean plans about the invasion of Iraq, Did Putin approve of this action?

Next time I meet Putin, I'll ask him.

Of my criticism (of which I don't think there was any?) or the US/Western Goverment's criticism? And I wish I was a high-ranking political scientist, since they receive high-ranking salaries...

Oh, so you spoke on behalf of US/Western Government. Now I've got it... Talking about salaries: I think there's a better option - you shold become a cremlinologist it's something like a fortune-teller and a weather forecaster.

Прогнозирование погоды - точная наука!

Originally Posted by Scorpio

Originally Posted by patriot

I mean plans about the invasion of Iraq, Did Putin approve of this action?

Next time I meet Putin, I'll ask him.

Да, это точно что я думал, когда его вопрос прочитал! Потому, что каждый русский может звонить Вову, когда он хочет! "Алло, Вова! Как дела? Слушай -- ты иракскам дал американские военные планы? Ну, ладно. Давай завтра посмотрим фильм "Батман!" Ой, да!"

Originally Posted by Barmaley

Originally Posted by Scorpio

Originally Posted by patriot

I mean plans about the invasion of Iraq, Did Putin approve of this action?

Next time I meet Putin, I'll ask him.

Да, это именно то, что я подумал, когда прочитал его вопрос! Потому, что каждый русский может звонить Вове, когда он хочет! "Алло, Вова! Как дела? Слушай -- ты иракцам давал американские военные планы? Ну, ладно. Давай завтра посмотрим фильм "Бэтман!" Ой, да!"

Originally Posted by Barmaley

Да, это точно то, что я думал, когда его вопрос прочитал! Потому что каждый русский может звонить Вове, когда он хочет! "Алло, Вова! Как дела? Слушай -- ты иракцам дал американские военные планы? Ну, ладно. Давай завтра посмотрим фильм "Бэтман!" Ой, да!"

По моему Dmitri слишком много исправил. Можно было кое-что оставить так, как есть.

Originally Posted by Chuvak

Originally Posted by Barmaley

Да, это точно то, что я думал, когда его вопрос прочитал! Потому что каждый русский может звонить Вове, когда он хочет! "Алло, Вова! Как дела? Слушай -- ты иракцам дал американские военные планы? Ну, ладно. Давай завтра посмотрим фильм "Бэтман!" Ой, да!"

По моему Dmitri слишком много исправил. Можно было кое-что оставить так, как есть.

я исправил так, чтобы это звучало хорошо на русском

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Originally Posted by Chuvak

Originally Posted by Barmaley

Да, это точно то, что я думал, когда его вопрос прочитал! Потому что каждый русский может звонить Вове, когда он хочет! "Алло, Вова! Как дела? Слушай -- ты иракцам дал американские военные планы? Ну, ладно. Давай завтра посмотрим фильм "Бэтман!" Ой, да!"

По моему Dmitri слишком много исправил. Можно было кое-что оставить так, как есть.

я исправил так, чтобы это звучало хорошо на русском

Я согласен, но ты учти, что он иностранец, и стиль блюсти ему пока еще рано - сначала надо разделаться с синтакситескими ошибками, а после этого уж приниматься и за стиль. Главное - показать человеку, как можно в принципе высказаться (Чтобы не было выражений типа "Я завтра пошел на театра")