Thread: Most Russians believe US is hell-bent on world domination

now why would they think that?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaki ... 5845012315

May be because most Americans think that Russians drink alcohol more than others.

Most Russians believe US is hell-bent on world domination

Well, isn't it?

Only 8 per cent agreed that the US was "a defender of peace, democracy and order"

Over the course of the recent decades Russians have been exposed to a lot of political technology. I think that's the reason they do not believe the words, but the actions. Try and look at the actions objectively.

Also, the definitions of how the peace and order should look like and the notions of the virtues or the evils of democracy vary across the world. How would you translate into actions the slogan of "defending" all those?

>Only 8 per cent agreed that the US was "a defender of peace, democracy and order"
So what is the ratio between Russians who want to move to America and Americans who want to move to Russia? Is this 8% of your population moving here?

You don't have to be Russian to believe that...
Just capable of logical reasoning...

But it looks like the quest for world domination was an expensive "hobby" for the US. Both the nation and most of the citizens are up to their ears in debt. Cannot continue as it is much longer.

(Unless the US decides that it doesn't need to pay off its foreign debts because the debtors are "un-democratic", terrorist or something like that. It would have to manufacture some conflict first. But defaulting on the payments would break the global economy which is the USAs reason for wanting to dominate the world in the first place! The only other option is to totally control some very oil rich country and get its oil at cost.)

I wonder if the US will find a way to hang on, back off graciously or go out with a bang, like some empires?

And if the US domination disappears, what country and language will replace US / English?

110% they are. Just look at this news story from today:

"CIA is manipulating public opinion in Europe about the Afghanistan war." http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/cia-vi ... -1.1069019 This is on the front page of the main newspaper in Sweden.

But of course, no English language media will touch the story, apart from obscure websites like this one:
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0326/cia...n-afghanistan/

This is based on a leaked CIA report on Wikileaks and the CIA isn't even bothering to deny it.

I don't like for European countries to be the pawns in their little chess games and I don't like being fed manufactured stories in media! Particularly not when their content is pushing an agenda that is not even remotely in my country's interest.

What do you expect them to think when the radical America hating Left-wing has control of almost all media outlets in the West and is constantly bombarding people with half truths and lies of omission?

I know sometimes these sorts of conversaions can become heated, and I don't want to go into a verbal battle with anybody, too great is my respect for you all.

But let me say this plainly and without guile.

There are maybe, possibly, 20 or 30 people in this country who actually have that goal in mind. No one else.

There are millions of Americans who are afraid, caught between a) their fresh awakening to the idea that Bush and his relations (tethers between which are often VERY well hidden - try to find the Rumsfeld-Rockefeller link - hidden, but it's there) saw to the attacking of the two buildings in New York and the innocents that Bush'n'co sacrificed to gain political control of 'hearts' and 'minds.' (Quick thought: before 9.11, had there EVER been a live plane crash filmed and published on news channels, EVER in ANYWHERE in the US? I could not find an instance - making it obvious its being displayed 'live' had something to do with its intent, imho.) and b) their freshly struck up dissent with so very many countries across the world, oh and c) their(our) just ever so recently having become broke ---- most Americans really have no clue what's going on here, even if they are of those self-encouraged elitist minds who THINK they do.

I only recently learned that the money that funded the last TWO American wars came from borrowed funds from China and Japan in the form of US Treasury Bonds. In other words, we had to borrow money to go fight that war.

I think we are mostly guilty of ACTING like a world power when we're not - akin to the guy in the bar who ACTS like he can win a fight with anyone there, and secretly hopes he never has to find out how wrong he is.

There are 20 or 30 people, those like Rockefeller Rumsfeld Cheney Shriver/Kennedy/Onasses etc., who truly do plan on world domination.

The rest of us hate those hidden faces of corruption and secret control, and we wish we could get out from under it.

But there is SO much bickering in America. It's underfoot as roaches in the sewer are.

We just finished bickering for months on whether or not we could sign the bill for healthcare that we had all been more or less asking and discussing for.... 16 years.

One side wanted it(D), one wanted to defeat it and hurt Obama in so doing(R), Obama wanted any form of it to pass for ($) reasons, and so Obama offers (R) to edit it and make it likeable - but they refuse to, thinking that they would FORCE the bill to die - and insead it passes, with no (R) influence to hedge their bets, and now (R) uses corrupt media outlets to try to hornswaggle the public into hating it, before they have a chance to know whether they really do.

And that's not even something beyond our own borders - that's within! Can you imagine how convoluted the decisions are when these many minds try to make a choice on what to do in foreign warfare? My friends, it's a wonder we can do any warfaring at all, with such chaos at the top end.

My point is, America is a group of people, not so different from any other. None of us here are carrying the intentions of world domination. Well, 20 or 30 of us do. But the other 99.99999999999999% of us merely wish we had some reliable way to receive information that was not FOX-corrupted (see "Real American Stories" hoax), money-corrupted (see Meg Whitman's attempt to buy the upcoming CA governorship with her $39b fortune), or wag-the-dog corrupted (proof that there WAS a moon landing? that there were any foreignors involved AT ALL in 9-11? That Colin Powell didn't poison Vietnamese citizen drinking water? No - the government says to 'take their word for it').

And this is why we largely support some things, and don't do any supporting of others. We don't act out of malice or elitism, not when it comes to the actual living, breathing citizenry of my country. There is corruption, sure - more corruption in US government than in a 2400bps download - but it's all at the top, at the richest, most diseased part of our populace. It is the immoral, nepotic, deceptive, separatist and religiously radical rare 'creme' of our $ociety that is responsible for these reprehensible Grim Reaper thoughts.

To the rest of us - who were not raised on cabernet sauvignon and black caviar on silver spoons, who did not get rides to school in Jaguars and private limos - when we hear the phrase "world domination," a chill runs up our spine. It sounds like something Goldfinger would have spouted at James Bond, or Moriarty at Sherlock. NONE of us want that.

What we want is to be in a kind of good place monetarily, to have a racket to run to keep us consistently functional, and protection from extremity at the bottom and at the top. This is what most people want, in most places.

What OUR government in US does, and moreso what our MEDIA does (and whether the latter is manipulation freelance or under employ of the former I don't know) is try to CONVINCE us that we don't want what we really DO want. They tell us how terrible other countries and other armies and other regimes are. They want us to either side WITH them and sign on whatever dotted line they should present us, or to side AGAINST them and be dragged out as a traitor and piled with the bodies of the sacrifical enemy. What they CANNOT STAND is people like myself, if I do not speak too boldy - people who will not be forced to care for one extreme, or the other. People who doggedly ask for peace and who never make excuses for shooting their fellow men. This is why Bush blew down the towers - to get us off the fence, onto his side or in front of his sights. It was a round-up, and nothing more.


@ Johanna, about the manipulation of EU public opinion: This sounds totally like us. We're not really soldiers at heart, not anymore, not since the sweeping sociopolitical changes that the last century brought us. Now we're mostly marketers, consulters, salesmen, tie-wearers, and what you're quoting sounds EXACTLY like a tie-wearer hired to fight a war. Instead of grabbing a gun, he grabs a pen and tries to convince the world he's won before he has. This surely doesn't surprise anybody - I contest that Americans are NOT evil and intent on world domination, but I TOTALLY contest that we ARE a group of fast-talkers, slick salesmen, and in some cases liars, and in some cases cheaters. On one level that's a source of pride for some of us, though many others will deny it emphatically. But this I know - we would much rather sell the world a snake-oil tonic than we would to take it over. I daresay Americans would PREFER to be in a war doing the P.R. for it, than to be the victors of it.

America doesn't want to eat the proverbial mouse. It wants to forever play the cat, chasing it. If the mouse died, the cat would cry. But tell that cat a dog is about to eat it, and all rationality goes out the window, and in comes the madness of fear. In other words, we will never behave in a truly bad way, until we are under the impression that we are going to be eliminated. Then, we'll fight tooth-and-nail and without rationality.

In my opinion, the wisest of Dogs is like Russia, willing to bark at the cat to keep it in line. But not so quick to chew it up.

Sorry, Johanna - what country is your country?

J> .....Particularly not when their content is pushing an agenda that is not even remotely in my country's interest.

Originally Posted by kidkboom

Sorry, Johanna - what country is your country?

J> .....Particularly not when their content is pushing an agenda that is not even remotely in my country's interest.

She's from Sweden, but lives in UK now.

Oh okay, thank you, sorry I should have known that from before anyway..

With all due respect Johanna, we do view Europe primarily as pawns (with the exception of Russia, and maybe Germany). Poor work ethic, "multi-culturalism" that is entirely flawed, declining populations, the lack of religion as a unifying force, and the "welfare state" mentality that dominates most of Europe has led to its downfall. This will probably be the "Asian Century." Look to China, India, etc. if you want to see big things. Russia may fare okay; however, it all depends on the price of oil, which is unfortunate for Russia because this means its economy depends on other countries' demand for oil.

Originally Posted by Marlow

With all due respect Johanna, we do view Europe primarily as pawns

Yeah, I know that very well -- I have worked for American companies and heard how the talk goes... I have also watched the USA mess around with my country (Sweden) like a pathetic toy during the cold war in my childhood, during the crazy nineties and in the digital age.

I also know that, just like you say, Europe has made many serious mistakes and has plenty of issues to deal with; including as you mention, the fallout from the mass immigration. But it's my continent and I support it despite the mistakes!

And we don't need to give up just yet! The battle is not over... Personally I don't want to live in a US dominated world. The US playing far too many complicated games for my taste. I just need to look at how it treats third world countries to form an opinion. Or count the number of wars and invasions that it has started during my lifetime..

In my view, the European countries have only one option if they want to remain an area to be reckoned with; That is "continually closer integration" as Jean Monnet said and Coudenhove predicted. Plus a unified front from Brussels. It's sad that a few countries are to proud or stuck in the past to see that!

I am certainly no big fan of China (human rights, pollution) but they are playing with open cards and not hiding behind any BS talk about "democracy", "liberty" and other demagogy and propaganda, like the US does. They want one thing: Resources for their country and for their "Communist" party to remain in power. Their actions are predictable and they are neither announcing or denying what they are doing.

Modern Russia doesn't worry me at all; It wants good export conditions with Europe for its' resources, stable borders and for ethnic Russians in ex-USSR countries to be treated in an acceptable way. It is not expansionist, not aggressive and it pushes no particular ideology or agenda. The prosperity is slowly increasing which is good for nearby countries like mine. What else they do internally is not my problem although I certainly wish the best for Russia. I see no signs of manipulation towards my country (or Scandinavia), or any game playing from Russia at all.

Originally Posted by kidkboom

But this I know - we would much rather sell the world a snake-oil tonic than we would to take it over.

Class comment. Agree. The problem is; I don't want to buy your snake oil, LOL... And don't want to be force-fed it either...

Originally Posted by kidkboom

America doesn't want to eat the proverbial mouse. It wants to forever play the cat, chasing it. If the mouse died, the cat would cry.

Touching and pretty well put! But again, I don't want to be the mouse in that game. I doubt you even KNOW the sort of stuff your gov't gets up to abroad, while claiming to be "the land of the free... etc.... "

Да, китайцы без ложных разглагольствований о демократии выглядят честнее. Достаточно вспомнить, какова у Штатов была изначально озвученная причина нападения на Ирак, и как затем она поменялась. А Америка, там в очередной раз арестовали школьницу за надпись на парте. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/04 ... e_for.html

С другой стороны, в России сейчас опять вошла в моду американофобия, так что мнения ответивших могут быть несколько пристрастны.

Originally Posted by mishau_

С другой стороны, в России сейчас опять вошла в моду американофобия, так что мнения ответивших могут быть несколько пристрастны.

Почему "опять"? Она никуда не пропадала.

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Originally Posted by Seraph

USD = promise to pay… nothing.

Once in a while we have this topic debated on this forum. Ramil would be on your side, while I won't. If USD is a promise to pay nothing, then please elaborate what do you want to have in exchange for the USDs. Would you be OK with the golden bricks instead? Are those better? Can you eat them, build your house with them, or drive those golden bricks to work? USDs are no better and no worse than any other modern money which implies a promise you get something in return under the certain conditions. And those conditions vary hourly depending on the other complex (and sometimes unfair) promises, and so do vary the abilities to get something in exchange for that money.

Having said that, I would rather prefer the 'IMF money' over the USD as a common value carrier, but that's another story.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Originally Posted by Seraph

USD = promise to pay… nothing.

Once in a while we have this topic debated on this forum. Ramil would be on your side, while I won't. If USD is a promise to pay nothing, then please elaborate what do you want to have in exchange for the USDs.

I would agree to take shares in US oil fields, food, raw material deposits, industry, energy facilities, even manpower etc. Something that can be touched and used. I fully agree with the concept that USD = nothing. US exchanges everything I listed above for pieces of green paper. Risks are too high that one day US Treasury decides not to them back. What are the guarantees?

Would you be OK with the golden bricks instead? Are those better?

Yes, they ARE better than paper, everything is better than paper.

Can you eat them, build your house with them, or drive those golden bricks to work? USDs are no better and no worse than any other modern money which implies a promise you get something in return under the certain conditions.

That's the whole problem. I don't believe in money. This is some kind of a bad joke, really. I would use Joulles (energy) as an exchange equivalent, by the way. It's perfect in the present circumstances.