It would be very funny if it weren't be so sad... The level of "facts" is beyond the line of good and bad. This is the "fact" that was shown as some "evidence" by USA officials:Quote:
Originally Posted by UhOhXplode
http://imglink.ru/pictures/17-05-14/...11369b9fef.jpg
I suggest them to consider another evidence:
http://imglink.ru/pictures/17-05-14/...5930b867e1.jpg
Of us all, it's only it-ogo who belongs there, but his posts have been rarely showing up here recently...Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
I liked to read their Internet forum. It was a pro-ukrainian forum. It doesn't work since yesterday. There were messages about some danger for the administrator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric C.
I didn't know it's such a different world there. Many people (not people on the forum, they were just talking about it) genuinely believe that they need DPR for protection from Pravyi Sector coming in and killing them for speaking Russian. Unbelievable. I thought it was just a pretext for joining Russia and getting bigger pensions, but no, apparently these people exist.
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A new forum has been set up.
UhOhXplode
http://masterrussian.net/images/stat...er-offline.png Has said "two year to uni"
That would make him a Junior in High School. People in Oklahoma would say College or University. He is a troll. He is a Soviet.
Basil, "Vlad" is as Vlad does. He is Vlad.
Hanna, you thought USA Bush was bad? I introduce Mr. Putin.
I had hoped he would be a good thing for Russian-international relationships. I think he is Khrushchev dangerous.
After Mr. Medvedev was replaced, it became apparent that Russia had some problems.
I hope you can get some money back from your Poly-Sci degree because it obviously isn't working. Europe doesn't trust Vlad. "Eastern Europe" doesn't really exist any more beyond Belarus and Stolen Crimea. Former Soviet States don't trust Russia.
Former Blok countries are FORMER. My Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Lithuanian, Latvian, friends agree.
It's a "Land-Grab", just like post WW2. Just ask an East German.
Get over your blind hate of the USA and really look at what Mr. Putin is doing.
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Originally Posted by capecoddah
but what is he doing finally?
Here you only say words like "trust", "dangerous" etc and no fact
Take off the tin foil hat, my friend. :D I won't even comment on the ramblings beyond your accusations regarding uHoExplode.Quote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
The person who first used the means a vocational post secondary education institution, or an institution where some students do the last two years of secondary school. Or it's a part of an elite university. Whereas University, aka "uni" covers all post secondary academic education.
I know of the American usage of the word, of course, but from a British perspective, the word is incorrectly used in the US, and it feels wrong to use it in the way that Americans do, so I don't. Plus, Uni is perfectly understandable to Americans.
He was only repeating the expression that I used.
It's funny, I MILDLY defended Russia's annexation of Crimea in a torrent site, mainly just by stating very obvious facts to support why it was logical, and supported by locals. In perfect, 100% native Swedish. Whereupon all the kids started asking me what the weather was like in Moscow and congratulated me on my perfect Swedish, sending greetings to Putin etc. What can you say, when people are so darn brainwashed that there not even possible to get through to them, because if you tell them objective facts that goes against the narrative, then you are a foreign spy! It's like members of a cult. Anything that goes against their worldview, is a delusion from the devil (or Russia, in this case...) "Good jooooob Hollywod".
Those over 35 have a more nuanced picture though and haven't swallowed all the bullshit about Russia today, or the USSR in the past. Simply because they recall the days when media was singing a totally different tune and you could hear both sides of the story. It appears to actually have become a generational thing.
Hollywood has has REALLY done its job well on the < 30 generation who grew up having all that subtle propaganda jammed down their throat from TV or films every day! No wonder they are incapable of thinking outside the box. As far as they are concerned Russians are bad, because that's the consistent message in Hollywood films. Unless it's a pretty girl who needs to be saved by an American, of course.
It's beginning to become clear that the expectation on me, as a Swedish person, is that I totally support the US angle on the Ukraine business. Even though it's actually not in the best interest of the country, all taken into account. Who has Crimea is irrelevant to us, but a decent relationship with Russia, is critical - however the foreign minister has done his outmost to destroy the prospects of functional relations.
And if I don't support this US agenda, then I must be a Russian psy-ops, apparently.... For f's sake!
And here in the UK, you are a bit suspect if you actually know where Ukraine is on a map, let alone care what happens to it....
uHoHexplode is no more Russian than yourself. Get a grip!
The man himself would probably consider your claim flattering though, based on his latest posts!
http://imglink.ru/pictures/19-05-14/...f091ecc19e.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
Oh, the cities moved! Donetsk got its wishes, but the look of things.
Then ALL of Ukraine moved to Pakistan.
Well done! Clever manoeuvre to escape Russia & Putin....
Or is it like back in WW2 when they moved around the train station signs and street signs to confuse the enemy?
http://retired.talkingpointsmemo.com...a-yes-grin.jpg
Is too bad for you that you discover my secret, comrade. :evil: As you see, even as I speak, the tri-colors fly behind my PC! :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5543/...2a2f8f46_b.jpg
:lol: Yay! Okay! Can I be a sleeper spy like that dude in the movie "Little Nikita"? That would be so cool! :lol: Send vodka! :yahoo:
You say BBQ they say Barbie! You say french fries they say chips! You say it's gloomy they say it's dreich! You say...
And you're wrong. Nobody calls it university in Oklahoma. It's college. But Hanna isn't in Oklahoma, she's in Europe. When I talk about french fries with someone in London, I say chips.
When I stop rolling all over the floor, I'll comment on the topic... :lol:
В СБУ совсем поехали.
http://www.unn.com.ua/ru/news/134466...o-ukrayinu-sbu
А мне кажется, что на украинском ТВ используется двадцать пятый кадр с надписью "всё не так однозначно". Уж как-то слишком часто звучит эта фраза из самых разных (частных) источников с Украины.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtrq
Конечно, всё там однозначно. Как и везде.Quote:
Originally Posted by lodka
Однозначно всё и везде только для тех, кто засовывает голову в песок, чтобы не смотреть видео, от которых может расстроиться.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Is it just me, or a certain very popular poster is here? =))
possibly; but difficult to tell for sure
Нет, это неправда. Однозначно ещё и для тех, кто идёт по головам к поставленной цели и считает, что цель оправдывает средства.;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by lodka
Нет, это не правда. Для таких как раз всегда всё многозначно, ибо одно и тоже могут развернуть и так и эдак лишь бы служило оправданием.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Хромает логика, хромает.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Ах, моя логика хромает... Давайте сделаем эту тему обо мне! :rose:Quote:
Originally Posted by lodka
It's sad, it's funny, and it's embarrassing. My government is supposed to represent the American people. So when they do really stupid things, it makes me look really stupid. I am not happy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
Some of my friends at school are better liars than our government. Sometimes it's almost impossible to know if they are lying. But no! Our government is telling lies that even a 5 year old could see through.
And they're doing it to bash my favorite foreign country.
I've been really busy so I only had time to reply to the "he is a Soviet." comment. Lol! That was easy and I didn't know I was a whole regional council. I couldn't stop laughing!
But I did get some free time so I googled and found this:
Evidence for Russian Involvement in East Ukraine Based on Shoddy Journalism
That was really weak sauce and it just makes our government and the New York Times (and Americans) look stupid, naive, and evil. Not all Americans are that stupid, naive, and evil - I promise.
It was obvious that our country and the EU were all over the Maidan in Kiev when the snipers killed all those people and when President Yanukovych was ousted. It was also obvious that the "Anti-terrorist" campaign started after the director of the CIA visited Kiev. And it's also obvious that some people in our country have personal financial interests in eastern Ukraine.
What is Not obvious is that Russian diplomats were ever in Ukraine during the crisis. So I had to wonder why Russia was being blamed for interfering.
Btw, did you know that our country also blamed Russia for Nuland saying "F the EU"?
I just can't believe that world peace is being threatened just to expand NATO into Ukraine...
Cherchez le gas. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by UhOhXplode
That too. And maybe more sweatshops for Wal-Mart? It reminds me about what Daniel was saying in Brother 2.
«Вот скажи мне, американец, в чём сила? Разве в деньгах? Я вот думаю, что сила в Правде.»
While Russia was talking about ethnic Russians in Ukraine, it was also discussing the economic issues and the Gazprom pipelines.
While our country was talking about self-determination and democracy, it never mentioned Hunter Biden so now I wonder how many other economic issues our country was planning.
But our country became anti-self-determination and anti-democracy and anti-human-rights when eastern Ukrainians were the protesters. And that's called dishonor.
Other western countries and the UN are also guilty of that same dishonor.
LINKIN PARK sauce - GUILTY ALL THE SAME
For Mariupol, I highly recommend A7x - Hail To The King.
"While Russia was talking about ethnic Russians in Ukraine, it was also discussing the economic issues and the Gazprom pipelines."Quote:
Originally Posted by UhOhXplode
LOL! Russia doesn't care about ethnic Russians even in Russia. Russia has laws against them. Putin has the most oppressive laws targeting ethnic Russians. His comment that those saying 'Russia for Russians' are idiots is well known.
You are probably one of the most ignorant posters here. You must get your info from Hanna or something. ;)
I agree with him. They are idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by 14Russian
I'd like to hear Obama's comments on "America for anglo-saxons!" saying :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 14Russian
Personal attacks are weak sauce in any debate. But it is very encouraging considering the source. :) And I'm sure that Hanna will appreciate hers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 14Russian
Control words (ie. "didiot"/"ignorant") and intimidation are considered to be last resort tools in any effective debate.
BACK ON-TOPIC:
Your other statements are taken completely out of context, are very poorly presented, and don't merit any response. If you want a response from me, please state your case clearly and objectively.
http://www.km.ru/world/2014/05/13/pr...vitelstvo-ssha
Wow! So very true. You are one wise kid! Impressive! Your parents raised you right. Self-esteem is everything for success. Happy to have you here.Quote:
Originally Posted by UhOhXplode
This is a very mean thing to say about people. Not nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by lodka
Thanks. :) This could be very useful when I ask dad to raise my allowance. Just joking... maybe... haven't decided yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Happy to be here! It's really refreshing to join in these debates with you and so many other intelligent members. It's a level up from other debating forums I've joined.
care to provide some links ?Quote:
Originally Posted by UhOhXplode
It may be against the TOS to post them but I will PM you a list of the other forums after dinner tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_krsk
Attacking uzbecks and tadjiks by a crowd and killing them is not nice either. 'Nice' is not a word for discussing stuff like this. According you, Hitler can't be called a scum. He apparently attacked different coutries because of his views that should be respected, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Who destroyed the ice hockey stadium in Donetsk? Masked men put fire to it. What for!? What a totally meaningless, anti-social and destructive act! In a country that's short of money and may not be able to rebuild it for a long time.
Nice new stadium too. They even had international players there, playing with the Donetsk team in the RU league.
Read an interview with a Swedish ice hockey player who was going to play for Donetsk, as a pro. He said the city was really nice, and people friendly and he was looking forward to playing with that team. He can't believe all this happened and is gutted.
100 people killed in ONE day by the government?Quote:
More than 50 self-defense fighters and as many civilians have been killed since Ukrainian troops stepped up their offensive in the region on Monday
And there are still people there who are loyal to this government?
I am aware there is not super strong and solid backing of the separatists, otherwise I'd join a support group and demonstrate outside the Ukrainian embassy.
They say they overthrew a corrupt government, and then they proceed to kill their own citizens!
Any country who behaves like that is not democratic for real.
And I can't believe Ukrainians vote for yet another oligarch as president. Surely that's been tried and proven as a failed concept!
How many corrupt oligarchs are going to get to play with this broken toy before they vote for somebody who understands politics and nation building and actually cares about the people?
I'm personally a bit more conserned about people who are being killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
Yes, I read about the hockey stadium first, in a Swedish paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_krsk
Didn't see about the killed people until I looked at RTs page, to find out more. News blackout.
Nobody in Europe is supposed to know that the "democratic" new government in Ukraine, that the EU helped bring into power is now killing its own population.
So even though 100s have been killed, nobody knows of it, unless they follow the Russian speaking press, or RT...
The new and interesting revolution du jour, is Thailand, you practically don't hear of Ukraine anymore.
I of course, also care more about the killed people than the stadium.
it is all over the German media - no real news-blackout there
I read about that too. It was the attack at the airport and a lot of those victims were injured people being taken to the hospital. They never arrived. Lavrov is not happy. The Kiev operation intensified after that Poroschensko was announced the winner of the election. Lavrov said the operation needs to stop now or Porusshensko won't be welcome in Moscow. Since this is a rational debate, I won't mention how I feel about Porshushenkso and his savage operation... but I did discover some very interesting ways to spell his name...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
Obama was very happy that Porjoschinsko won... that speaks volumes. I also read that in Donetsk, the Ukrainian army is shooting at anything that moves. that speaks volumes too.
Пусть меня кикнут, но я напишу.
Лампада (всеготримужаиявамерике), браво! Залезает в закрытую для всех тему, и постит там, что ей нужно http://masterrussian.net/f16/%D1%87%...1/index21.html И врет не оставляя возможности ей на вранье ответить.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BokxFmcCEAAG3T8.jpg:large
Скромненько молчит, что в Евросоюзе показывает данные партий, а по Украине выборы президента. Лампада, хватит врать! Дождись выборов в Раду, и тогда уже ври про анижедети.
У вас хорошая школа вранья:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P64IGQZ4Xw
Ой, не смеши народ: Лампада причастна к причинам всех современных политических и социальных проблем. Делаешь из меня важную фигуру. :mosking:Quote:
Originally Posted by BappaBa
Никто тебя не кикнет, пожалуйста, выплёскивай в МР своё недовольство мной, событиями, чем угодно, если ты думаешь, что это пойдёт на пользу делу мира.
А в Украине действительно незначительное количество правых, если две правые партии в сумме набрали меньше голосов, чем кандидат по фамилии Рабинович.
Мадам в клипе оговорилась и тут же поправилась, но, конечно, почему бы не раздуть (из мухи слона). Последующие шесть секунд с её поправкой просто отрезали, что показательно: главное - взвить эмоции зрителя. Дешёвый приём, флейминг.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnkB7OgxNh8
Если не считать того, что подтасовки на этих "выборах" далеко перекрывают даже подтасовки на президентских выборах 1996 в России (а это были самые "грязные" выборы на моей памяти, "волшебник" Чуров просто жалкий ученик по сравнению с теми, кто считал голоса тогда), и мы примем результаты за чистую монету, то к голосам за нациков надо приплюсовать ещё как минимум Ляшко и Гриценко. Да и риторика тёти Юли в последнее время была более чем радикальной, куда там европейским "правым радикалам". Итого имеем уже больше трети, проголосовавших за нациков. Ну и теперь конфетный Вальцман-Порошенко. Своей риторикой и действиями в период предвыборной кампании он доказал, что поддерживает нацистов прежде всего не словом, а ДЕЛОМ. И умные нацики, в отличие от клоунов, проголосовавших за всех, кого я упомянул выше, проголосовали за него. Итого, имеем почти 90% голосов за нацистов. Глядя на всё это, я до сих пор не могу поверить, что такая мерзость, как то, что сегодня называется "государство украина" действительно существует в наши дни.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada