Thread: Lenin: Good or bad?

В случае с Лениным произошло следующее:
Он прибыл из Швейцарии, как оппозиция царской власти. А потом, когда переворот свершился, его объявили великим героем-революционером — подменили истинные ценности на фальшивые и закрепили это мавзолеем. К сожалению убрать Ленина оттуда пока нельзя (политика), но очень многие в россии понимают, что это нужно сделать.
...Методы при смене власти ничем не отличаются от нынешних.

Originally Posted by Eledhwen

В случае с Лениным произошло следующее:
Он прибыл из Швейцарии, как оппозиция царской власти. А потом, когда переворот свершился, его объявили великим героем-революционером — подменили истинные ценности на фальшивые и закрепили это мавзолеем. К сожалению убрать Ленина оттуда пока нельзя (политика), но очень многие в россии понимают, что это нужно сделать.
...Методы при смене власти ничем не отличаются от нынешних.

Lenin was a disaster as is Putin now. People were just brainwashed. It's easy to do over time.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Lenin was a disaster as is Putin now. People were just brainwashed. It's easy to do over time.

Putin saved my country from further decay. Therefore, the Western media opposite him. But what is happening now it's a continuation of the negative influence of the West. The Soviet Union's not collapsed by itself.

Originally Posted by Eledhwen

Putin saved my country from further decay. Therefore, the Western media opposite him. But what is happening now it's a continuation of the negative influence of the West. The Soviet Union's not collapsed by itself.

LOL! The Western media doesn't have to 'oppose' him as Putin is destroying Russia on his own. The decay is being done, it's just of a different type. Putin doesn't care about ethnic Russians as he only cares about his own power and image. One example is the declining birth rate which he has done nothing about. He's all talk and his Government depends on oil and military sales to maintain the economy. That's your 'modern state' if you will that you can talk about in the other thread. Of course, you think what you learn 'academically' by the State is the full story. I have talked to Russians (NOT HERE, of course) who know the truth as well.

This is an elaborate topic, however, and I have already read here of too many parrots saying the same thing you are.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

The Western media doesn't have to 'oppose' him as Putin is destroying Russia on his own.

So this is oppose it is. Any ways and methods to discredit Putin in the eyes of people. In the eyes of the Russian people best of all. You used unreliable sources.
And more: why U.S. and British press silent on the presidency of Gorbachev and Yeltsin? And at that time it was much (!) worse. ...Because they (american politics) liked it. So why you think that de facto (from political situation) russians unworthy of a good and happy life? And in the future just life at all.

Madeleine Albright: “Siberia is too large and rich to belong to one country.”
Margaret Thatcher: “The Russians should remain around 15 million, the minimum amount sufficient to enable that to obtain raw materials, and maintain gas and oil pipelines.”
Adolf Hitler: “The Slavs are to work for us. Insofar as we do not need them, they may die. Therefore, compulsory vaccination and German health service are superfluous. The fertility of the Slavs is undesirable. They may use contraceptives or practice abortion, the more the better. Education is dangerous. It is enough if they can count up to one hundred. At best an education which produces useful coolies for us is admissible. Every educated person is a future enemy.”