Thread: immigration

In far east Russia it's kind of inevitable there will be more Chinese/Koreans, unless ethnic Russians suddenly have a huge population boom and start moving to the far east.

Originally Posted by basurero

Originally Posted by DDT

Yes we have problems in Australia over our immigration policies. The muslims are not mixing well with the rest of Australians and have been causing riots and hanging around in groups at our beaches calling the Australian girls "sluts" as they walk down to the sand for wearing only a bathing suit. They have even had our police on the run at times. There have also been major arrests on muslim terrorists groups lately.
It would be a mistake for Russia to follow the Wests example.

LOl, you should let in the Asians rather than the Muslims like here in NZ. They are calm and cool as and even though a lot of them don't assimilate to well they are respectful of the country. At my high school 25% of the students were Asian (15% were Korean). You don't see them getting involved in riots or anything...

Oh we had the Asian immigrant problem already! They were forming gangs and having shootouts in restaruants and such years ago but have since settled down a bit.

My personal favourite immigrant was the Italians. Before Italians came to Australia there was no good restaraunts to eat in........Aussies are terrible cooks and even worse at giving service.!!!

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I am from the UK. I have also considered myself to be a liberal, and still do. I don't mind immigration, just as long as it's not muslims. Almost all other ethnic groups intigrate, at least to a certain extent. Most muslims though, even the so-called "moderates" expect our society to change.

Originally Posted by possopo

russian's birth rate is crazily low. aids is killing a lot. a positive demography is one of the keys to wellness and growth. all experts say that the solution lies in immigration.
do you think immigration to russia (mainly from chinese, mongolians and people from the cis) is a good or a bad thing?

I don't see what chinese or mongolian immigrants have to do with the improving russian's birth rate.
Am I xenophobic?

Putin does well in the direction of improving birth rate in Russia. What do you think is the key? Yes, you're right, money it is! This is, by far, the most reliable thing in the world! And the thing that is capable of everything. If you offer a young couple 600000 roubles for a child, damn, that's great! I'd have two, three children if I'm paid $20000 for every one (not just for money, of course, but money is a great support for young families). Damned government has collected a vast amount of money in its so-called "stabilization fund". So let it work!

Well, I am personally against any muslim immigration. Money, money and money again. And a huge concrete fence around the borders. I don't mind Asians though, they work hard at constructions, much better than most Russians do.

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

I'd have two, three children if I'm paid $20000 for every one

You won't be paid in cash. Government isn't that stupid to stimulate inflation in such a way. Promised money can be used indirectly for certain purposes, for example, when child needs education or medical treatment. It'll look like if govermnet helps children in need.

I don't mind Asians though, they work hard at constructions, much better than most Russians do.

They don't work harder or better than Russians do. They're cheaper, that is the key. Russian citizen demands money, social care, good working conditions, while asians can grow tomatos and be paid by tomatos they grow, while living in barracks.

They don't work harder or better than Russians do. They're cheaper, that is the key.

Not only they're cheaper, but much more assiduous and hard-working. They just do what they're told to do. Russians will first point that your order is all way wrong and stupid, then express their own opinion and then after a smoking break they maybe will begin. Not all Russians, but many of them. I used to work at a construction, I know

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

They don't work harder or better than Russians do. They're cheaper, that is the key.

Not only they're cheaper, but much more assiduous and hard-working. They just do what they're told to do. Russians will first point that your order is all way wrong and stupid, then express their own opinion and then after a smoking break they maybe will begin. Not all Russians, but many of them. I used to work at a construction, I know

It's like an anecdote:
American, German, and Russian have an argument, who can build more quickly than others. American says: we'll start building the bridge on 1st January, and on 1st January of the next year first car will pass by. German says: we'll begin construction of a new hospital on 1st January and on 1st February it will accept first patient. Russian says: and we'll start buildng new brewery at 9 o'clock, and by 12 o'clock everybody will be drunk!

Seriously, I saw an attitude you describe only when Russian worker isn't satisfied with his work and payment. "For 10 thousand roubles a month, young specialist have to do nothing and even cause little damage."

[quote="Alex_Ivanov]

I don't mind Asians though, they work hard at constructions, much better than most Russians do.

They don't work harder or better than Russians do. They're cheaper, that is the key. Russian citizen demands money, social care, good working conditions, while asians can grow tomatos and be paid by tomatos they grow, while living in barracks.

Hello again, Alex

Chinese workers make just about everything imported to the US. Why? Because labor is cheap over there. Asians may work more than Russians, but Russians work harder than Asians, because, as you said, they have higher standards like decent working conditions, social care, etc...
Asians do a lot of cheap jobs but Russians do the harder work. So if you ask me, Russians are the better workers.