Thread: Elections in Belarus

Eric, have you ever been there, little hater? "Commie hell" is only in your wet dreams. "Socialist paradise" as say from my impressions .

I, pace moderators, would like to get the thread back to the subject.

People from Belarus, cast light on the issue, please. Are you really in ecstasies about your "socialist paradise"? Would you change anything about it? If so, what would you change?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I, pace moderators, would like to get the thread back to the subject.

People from Belarus, cast light on the issue, please. Are you really in ecstasies about your "socialist paradise"? Would you change anything about it? If so, what would you change?

Oh, yes! Judging by what i wrote above, the situation in Belarus drives me into ecstasies )))))))

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Hi, people. I live in Brest. I want to write some words about elections in our country, previous, current, and as it looks like - next.
I know nothing about candidates. How are they? What is their policy? What have they already done for the country? How they want to rule the country without understanding of situation, skills and practice?
They always scrumbles out from somewhere before elections, and hiding after it. If they are real opposition, why do they do nothing? Они хотят стать президентом не слезая с печи.
And I should notice that may be this situation is usual in Western Countries, when prime-minister or president is a signboard of certain group of people, who has the same political course. But in our country president is the person who decide everything, others are just advicers.

Thanks for reading this, and correct my mistakes please.

Originally Posted by Khomitchuk D.V.

Hi people. I live in Brest. I want to write some words about elections in our country, the previous, current, and as it seems - the next one.
I know nothing about the candidates. Who are they? What is their policy? What have they already done for the country? How are they going to rule the country without understanding of the situation, skills and practice?
They have always shown up from somewhere before each election, and hidden after it. If they are real opposition, why have they been doing nothing?
And I should note that maybe this situation is common in the Western Europe(probably), when a prime-minister or president is a representative of some group of people who have the same political views. But in our country the president is the person who decides everything, the others are just advisers.

So, what's your point here? Do you think the country needs stronger opposition? Or are you just satisfied with your Shklow wise man?

Originally Posted by Khomitchuk D.V.

Hi, people. I live in Brest. I want to write some words about elections in our country, previous, current, and as it looks like - next.
I know nothing about candidates. How are they? What is their policy? What have they already done for the country? How they want to rule the country without understanding of situation, skills and practice?
They always scrumbles out from somewhere before elections, and hiding after it. If they are real opposition, why do they do nothing? Они хотят стать президентом не слезая с печи.
And I should notice that may be this situation is usual in Western Countries, when prime-minister or president is a signboard of certain group of people, who has the same political course. But in our country president is the person who decide everything, others are just advicers.

Thanks for reading this, and correct my mistakes please.

Those who want to find the information about the candidates, find it easily in the web. As for me, a saw a lot of people in the streets agitating the citizens to vote for this or that candidate. Lukashenko has no skills how to rule the country! The president is not an expert in economics and business. He just listens to the advisers and decides what to do. There were some good candidates in 2010 who could successfully replace Lukashenko.

I think the country should have several groups with their own understanding of Belarus future. But they should (I don't know how to say it in English) болеть сердцем за страну.
But current situation is following: stable goverment and some groups of clowns. And nothing more.

Originally Posted by Khomitchuk D.V.

I think the country should have several groups with their own understanding of Belarus future. But they should (I don't know how to say it in English) болеть сердцем за страну.
But current situation is following: stable goverment and some groups of clowns. And nothing more.

As for the expression, I guess it will be "their hearts should ache for the country".

As for the current situation, I think clowns can be found on both sides. Like "a stable group of clowns vs unstable one". (btw, have a think about who created the last group)

And what is the problem? Find the job, and work there 2 years.

Belarus Accuses Poland, Germany of Takeover Plot | HeraldTribune.com

Originally Posted by Basil77

Belarus Accuses Poland, Germany of Takeover Plot | HeraldTribune.com

No, it obviously was the US again. This time though the US was successful enough to make it seem like Poland and Germany contemplated the takeover. Obviously.

Капитализм - колбаса без мяса.

Originally Posted by Romik

Капитализм - колбаса без мяса.

There is a much better quote:

Одним бублик, другим - дырку от бублика. Это и есть демократическая республика.

I wonder how what you said about the meat and the sausage fits into our previous discussion. The same way as your previous quotes?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

I wonder how what you said about the meat and the sausage fits into our previous discussion. The same way as your previous quotes?

Do you think my quotes were not enough to your "no muddling"? At all do you like sausage in Canada?

Originally Posted by Romik

Do you think my quotes were not enough to your "no muddling"? At all do you like sausage in Canada?

From the education in the US and the UK to the sausage in Canada. Практически "из Москвы - в Нагасаки, из Нью-Йорка - на Марс!"
My congrats, you would do a fair politician.
All I tried to say was a very simple thing. Our dear belorussianews would probably get a comparable education in the US and the UK without paying a dime by the time it's complete. In quite reverse to your allusion with the commies. Why it was so difficult for you to understand what I said? Why to start the casuistry of "free vs unpaid" terms or eluding to the vaguely-defined terms of college degree? Come on! I'm just a simple-minded crocodile, you don't need to be that clever with me.

PS. I buy the sausage mostly in Russian grocery stores, but that sausage is produced locally. It's just the Russian stores know how to make the right choice for me. For some reason, you can't find those sausages in the supermarkets. Tastes differ, I guess.

The communist ideology on the other hand postulates the planned economy... [...] Upon the graduation those students can only take the government's job and can only accept the rate established by the government. [...] Your education belongs to the state the same way anything else does. The education is free, but it's not yours. No muddling.

Sorry, but there is a little bit of muddling.
You make it sound as if these graduates were limited in their choices (state jobs ONLY), while in fact they could work anywhere (within their area of competence, of course), since technically ALL existing jobs were provided by the state (be that a janitor or a rocket scientist). And all these jobs were available to them.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Sorry, but there is a little bit of muddling.
You make it sound as if these graduates were limited in their choices (state jobs ONLY), while in fact they could work anywhere (within their area of competence, of course), since technically ALL existing jobs were provided by the state (be that a janitor or a rocket scientist). And all these jobs were available to them.

I agree, they were. That's what I think I said: the state was the only employer. So, if a janitor wanted to clean the public washrooms on the north side of the street or on the south side of the street, that was a choice available to him or her. However, the janitor would get the same salary established by the state regardless how clean those washrooms were. And the janitors would live in a place provided by the state when and where the state would see fit. So, when it comes to the education, it made sense for the state to cover the education cost for a rocket scientist and make those scientists work for 120 rubles a month for the rest of their lives regardless of what they were actually doing and how they performed. So, the whole point I was trying to make was that it's the communist propaganda that's muddling and makes it seem like the free education they provide is part of the state care for their people. I was trying to explain why I think it's a lie in a big picture. And back to the topic, the Belorussian government declares a free education (бесплатное образование) whilst, in fact, it doesn't provide it for free. But, in the meantime, they make it seem like they care about the young generation and that the education is their priority (or something like that). So, when a simple Belorussian is looking around and asking:

- Why am I living worse than a similar average citizen of Poland?
- Ah, but it's the whole package that matters. There's no free education in Poland, for example, but it's free in Belorussia to the good students.
- Ok, I see. The education is important for my kids too. Hope, they will be able to become engineers some day and provide good living for my grandchildren.

So, I was trying to say it's a lie, that's all. No muddling.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Sorry, but there is a little bit of muddling.
You make it sound as if these graduates were limited in their choices (state jobs ONLY), while in fact they could work anywhere (within their area of competence, of course), since technically ALL existing jobs were provided by the state (be that a janitor or a rocket scientist). And all these jobs were available to them.

Yeah, some teachers come to a village and work there in a library ))) By the way, will you choose to work in Chernobyl area?

Originally Posted by belarusnews

Yeah, some teachers come to a village and work there in a library ))) By the way, will you choose to work in Chernobyl area?

So? What it has to do with state monopoly? Some people in any country and in any economy have cr@ppy jobs, and some don't have any. This is life. I don't see anything particularly horrible in working as a village librarian either. I almost moved to a village myself at one point of life.

What about Chernobyl zone - isn't it closed and out of limits? Or are you talking about people who service some technical stuff that is left there? I would not choose it, since my interests lay in another area, but if I'd get a good offer, I'd think about it.