Thread: Elections in Belarus

Originally Posted by belarusnews

I deserved free higher education.

Oh, you deserved! Just so! Do you mind if some don't give a sh!t what you deserved? You know, there are a lot of countries (and wealthy ones as well) where there is no such a thing - free higher education. The kids there don't deserve it?

Originally Posted by belarusnews

Why should I work for the state company like a slave in order to compensate it?

I assume there was an option to have paid studying, if so, why didn't you take it? Things have to be paid, FYI. Work off your study and do whatever you want.
Of course that things like disappearing people are atrocious and I don't really know what's going on there but I don't know where's your "living in hell".

Originally Posted by Romik

Oh, you deserved! Just so! Do you mind if some don't give a sh!t what you deserved? You know, there are a lot of countries (and wealthy ones as well) where there is no such a thing - free higher education. The kids there don't deserve it?
I assume there was an option to have paid studying, if so, why didn't you take it? Things have to be paid, FYI. Work off your study and do whatever you want.
Of course that things like disappearing people are atrocious and I don't really know what's going on there but I don't know where's your "living in hell".

I also don't give a sh!t what you desrve. If you think that free higher education in Belarus is a great advantage, you are mistaken. The government don't give a sh!t to students and graduates sending them to villages for "career assignment". You can have a great career if you move to a village from the capital city, can't you? LOL!

Everybody deserves free higher education. But you don't understent that FREE means "without any payment or other kinds of compensation". According to the Constitution of Belarus "everyone has a right for free higher education". "Career assignment" is a violation of the Constitution and everybody's rights for FREE education.

Originally Posted by belarusnews

You can have a great career if you move to a village from the capital city, can't you? LOL!

What can impede you to move back after those 2 years to the capital and do your career? It's not a very long period of time. Do you think, right after the university, without experience, you would be offered the most prestigious jobs?

Originally Posted by belarusnews

Everybody deserves free higher education. But you don't understent that FREE means "without any payment or other kinds of compensation". According to the Constitution of Belarus "everyone has a right for free higher education". "Career assignment" is a violation of the Constitution and everybody's rights for FREE education.

You are a commy, aren't you? In the UK, USA the education is paid and they don't demand it to be free.

Originally Posted by Romik

You know, there are a lot of countries (and wealthy ones as well) where there is no such a thing - free higher education.

Like Belarus. But their regime for some reason is boasting of providing anyone who wishes with free higher education while it's a total lie. So maybe you will be so kind to name this reason?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Like Belarus. But their regime for some reason is boasting of providing anyone who wishes with free higher education while it's a total lie. So maybe you will be so kind to name this reason?

I see 2 reasons for this:
1. To stop youth from going abroad (brain-drain)
2. The state companies that are going bankrupt need young labor force. So the government forces graduates to work there. The state enterprises (plants, factories etc.) are financially supported by goverment (actually by the taxpayers). If they close large plants (even those that don't bring any profit) a lot of elderly people will lose their jobs and there will be a chaos. So they continue to support unprofitable state companies.

Among the workers of belarusian state plants and factories there are a lot of people who are over 50 (I think 70 - 80 %). But there are very few young specialists.

Another interesting thing:
If you graduated from Pedagogical University, for example, you'll have to work at a school in a village and, perhaps, in Chernobyl area because nobody wants to work there. But a lot of people still live there and they need to be educated.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Like Belarus. But their regime for some reason is boasting of providing anyone who wishes with free higher education while it's a total lie. So maybe you will be so kind to name this reason?

Do you read their constitution and other rules? I don't. If telling only of the thing itself - I don't think it's unfair to work off that 2 years after unpaid study (I suppose there is some scholarship while it, isn't it?)

Originally Posted by Romik

Do you read their constitution and other rules? I don't. If telling only of the thing itself - I don't think it's unfair to work off that 2 years after unpaid study (I suppose there is some scholarship while it, isn't it?)

So what? If you are a diligent student and get good marks at the exams why not to get a scholarship? By the way, the average scholarship in Belarus is about $40. You may not have the scholarship if you get bad marks, but anyway you'll have to pay the same fee ($10 000 approximately) if you won't work off. Is it fair?

You are a commy, aren't you? In the UK, USA the education is paid and they don't demand it to be free.

The thing is that almost all some of the western universities provide a lot of scholarships to those who study well. So much so that in practice you only have to pay (partially) for your bachelor degree. The master's and ph.d. are in fact free (and you're usually left with some extra money as well). Without any kind of allusion to the "commie" ideology. Indeed, it might make sense for the government to pay for your education if you agree to take on the government job for two years or something like that. However, that situation should not be officially titled the Free Education (TM) as the government gathers tremendous political dividends from that title while, as it turns out, requires their fee in just another way.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

...However, that situation should not be officially titled the Free Education (TM) as the government gathers tremendous political dividends from that title while, as it turns out, requires their fee in just another way.

Exactly right.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

The thing is that almost all some of the western universities provide a lot of scholarships to those who study well. So much so that in practice you only have to pay (partially) for your bachelor degree.

To a few nerds in a particular university, and not always completely covering their study costs.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

The master's and ph.d. are in fact free (and you're usually left with some extra money as well).

They already work. You forgot to tell about academicians, never mind.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

However, that situation should not be officially titled the Free Education (TM) as the government gathers tremendous political dividends from that title while, as it turns out, requires their fee in just another way.

The word "бесплатный" literally is "unpaid", if you passed the entering contest, worked off 2 years you don't pay. The higher education is not mandatory there.

Originally Posted by Romik

To a few nerds in a particular university, and not always completely covering their study costs.

They already work. You forgot to tell about academicians, never mind.

The word "бесплатный" literally is "unpaid", if you passed the entering contest, worked off 2 years you don't pay. The higher education is not mandatory there.

There are very few students in Belarus who want to pass their career assignment after the university. The majority is against but they have to.

It's quite possible to find a job after the university if you're not a looser. It's better to gain experience and earn money than to work like a slave almost for nothing, isn't it?
Career assignment in Belarus is a forced labour. It's not the same as in the USA.

You are the only person here who supports lukashenko's ideology concerning education. Don't forget that the topic is presidential elections in Belarus and not education (neither in Belarus nor in the USA).

Originally Posted by Romik

To a few nerds in a particular university, and not always completely covering their study costs.

I think I mentioned earlier it's the pass for those who study well. It seems belarusnews was the one who "entered the University with better grades than the others". If you want to call him a nerd it's your right I guess, but had he studied in a western university he would have gotten a better attention "than the others" depending on his grades. Those, who graduate well and start their masters (which aren't just the typical nerds, but that is more or less what makes the difference between a university degree (институтское образование) and a college degree (образование техникума). Those who start their master's are typically assigned a nominal job (like grading a course homeworks) which usually takes two-three hours a week and completely covers for their tuition fee. Very reasonable, I guess, comparing to a two-year low-paid job. In addition, they might be assigned the TA's job which takes more effort, but pays well. The process is started by taking a student load from a bank on a reasonable terms. The scolarships irregularly contribute something in between. As I said, in the end, once the master's is complete, a good student is left with an ultimately free high education, good grades, and a relatively brighter future. All that with not a minor hint to a communist ideology to say the least. That was my entire point. A free/unpaid/no money/no fee/etc. (whatever term you like the best, it doesn't really change a matter of things).