Thread: Edward Snowden and his stay in Russia

Originally Posted by Hanna

I wonder if it would be possible for Snowden to get a normal job in Russia?
What do you think?

Obviously he doesn't have unlimited funds. Within the next year he probably needs to find some source of income.

Poor guy, he'll have to steal and sell some Russian secrets

Originally Posted by Hanna

I wonder if it would be possible for Snowden to get a normal job in Russia?
What do you think?

Obviously he doesn't have unlimited funds. Within the next year he probably needs to find some source of income.

Check this: Павел Дуров предложил Эдварду Сноудену работать «ВКонтакте» | RT на русском

Originally Posted by Eledhwen

Check this: Павел Дуров предложил Эдварду Сноудену работать «ВКонтакте» | RT на русском

«Приглашаем Эдварда в Петербург и будем рады, если он решит пополнить звёздную команду программистов ВКонтакте», - написал он на своей странице в сети.

Как считает Дуров, Сноудену «может быть интересно заниматься защитой личных данных миллионов» пользователей социальной сети.

Awesome, hurrah!!!! I am so pleased he was granted asylum, and got this nice and cool offer!
Listen and learn, Facebook --- I've never used it a lot and I darn well think I'll get on VKontakte instead... It would be a nice thing if VK could establish itself as a credibly PRISM-free alternative to facebook, outside of the Russian speaking world too.

I think he was a systems administrator though, so I am not sure how comfortable he would be as a team leader of developers

такие минуты чувствуешь гордость за нашу страну и сожаление по поводу курса США - страны, предающей принципы, на которых она некогда была построена»

Too right! It's interesting that Russia's done this "by the book" and quite transparently as well. Very much a new era, and who the hell can complain about protection of a person's human rights; somebody who stands up for freedom of speech and against tyranny and is persecuted.


The NSA leaks is one of the biggest revelations in modern time.

• It's a pivotal moment in history where there world must make a choice. Become a 24/7 Big Brother state, where all your information is stored and can be used against you at any time.... Or the freedom to remain private until you actually commit a crime.

• I think that outside of the IT sector, most non-technical people don't really understand the ENORMOUS implications of this -- what you can do with all this saved data, if it's cross-referenced. In a computerized world there is literally no privacy. Trust me; it has potential to get WORSE than the scenario from Orwell's 1984... Orwell had no means of know what computing, data mining and CCTV (just for starters) could achieve.
• Eduard Snowden is nothing short of a revolutionary and a freedom fighter --- the only difference to Che or Nelson Mandela is that his fight took place is cyberspace and he used a keyboard, not a rifle.
• He'll go down in history and quite rightly so!!! Russia's role will never be forgotten, what a comeback for a country that keeps being accused of spying, supressing freedom of speech etc.
• The US government may be pissed off, but millions of regular Americans will view Russia with new eyes after this!

Originally Posted by Host of CrossTalk on RT

I hope to have Snowden on my show here in Moscow shortly.

I have a better idea for them: Give Snowden a computing show on RT and have him on as a regular guest.
And watch how long it takes for RT to lose its broadcasting license in the USA...
I loved Snowden's dad's little speech thanking Russia, too.

Well done Putin and Russia! Good luck to Snowden in his new life!!!

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Poor guy, he'll have to steal and sell some Russian secrets

Yeah, that has to be the worst way to visit Russia. He could probably get some support from his dad but our government would probably block that too. And zOOmg! They would probably charge his dad with "aiding the enemy"!
Well, the Russian government couldn't hire him since they know he leaks. And other companies may not want to hire a leaker.
But Snowden is intelligent and knows a lot of tech stuff. And Kucherena - who has strong ties with the Kremlin - is buying him stuff. And while everyone says Snowden will probably have to live in the refugee camp, Kucherena says no and that he can live anywhere he wants to live.
I think Kucherena has plans or ideas about how Snowden could make a lot of money in Russia. Kucherena is very intelligent too.

Mr. Kucherena, who turns 53 next month, is certainly no dissident. Nor is he simply a product of the Soviet legal system, having joined the bar only in 1993. He was born in a tiny village in what is now Moldova and served as a sergeant in the Soviet Union’s strategic rocket forces before moving to Moscow to become an officer of the traffic police. He leveraged that job into acceptance for a correspondence course at the Moscow Legal Institute in 1985, which he completed six years later, just as Russia began its chaotic legal evolution.
He is a prolific author of books and textbooks and often appears as a commentator on television, something exceedingly rare for avowed opponents of Mr. Putin’s authority.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/wo...anted=all&_r=0

But I'm only guessing about what kind of plans Kucherena may have. If I'm wrong then Snowden may never have a very easy life in Russia. I mean, he could get a really cool house for less than $4 million usd but I don't think he can make that much if he just works in a restaurant or something.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

I mean, he could get a really cool house for less than $4 million usd but I don't think he can make that much if he just works in a restaurant or something.

I think someone with solid IT skills can always get a job fast almost regardless of the circumstances.
There's not much to leak if you work in an average company, particularly an IT company.
The thing is, he had a management job and he can't really do that unless he speaks the language. So he might have to go back to basic and be a regular team member.

Perhaps he can set up some form of web business in Russia. Or work remotely for Wikileaks.

I think the language is his biggest challenge for a successful life in Russia. Until he masters it, he'll be an outsider, and only a minority of people will be able to have a serious conversation with him. I think he knows Spanish, so he knows how to learn a language... Russian will just be harder. But since he's in an "immersion course" lol. I look forward to hearing him speak Russian!

Well, now he can legally live in Russia for a year with this:





Moreover, a person who was granted such a document can't be extradited to the country of his origin. It's a Russian law.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/snowden-lea...ry?id=19835727


From article:

In perhaps a sign of the difficult position Snowden has put him in, Putin later likened Snowden to an unwanted Christmas present.

A poll by the independent Levada Center taken earlier this month and released Wednesday found that 51 percent of Russians supported Snowden's leaks and 43 percent approved of granting his asylum.

Всего лишь на год старше меня, а уже в такую историю влип. ))

But I'm only guessing about what kind of plans Kucherena may have.

He’s going to become coauthor of Snowden’s future book “To Russia with files”.))
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Anyways, I’m impressed with the latest groundbreaking leakage article. It exceeds all my expectation.

As one slide indicates, the ability to search HTTP activity by keyword permits the analyst access to what the NSA calls "nearly everything a typical user does on the internet".

XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet' | World news | theguardian.com

Originally Posted by diogen_

He’s going to become coauthor of Snowden’s future book “To Russia with files”.))

"The Lord of the Files"

So will Snowden be alive in 3 years from now?
Will he need protection from the security services in Russia?
Will he be able to walk the streets freely?

Even if the CIA doesn't come after him, there are probably thousands of shady figures i Russia who'd poke Snowden with a poisoned umbrella or whatever, for a million dollar.... or "accidently" run him over as he crosses the street! There are a million possibilities.... "Oh dear who could have guessed that he had an aneurism and was doomed to die at 31"....

Or am I exaggerating? Can the US admit that they win some and lose some.....

http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/dobrokhotov/1127964-echo/


Открытое письмо Эдварду Сноудену

02 августа 2013, 13:56 Роман Доброхотов член Политсовета партии 5 декабря


Дорогой Эд! Вчера я узнал о том, что тебе удалось всё-таки получить в России временное убежище. Поздравляю тебя от лица всей прогрессивной мировой общественности. Теперь ты, наконец, в безопасности. Здесь, в России, никто и не подумает преследовать тебя за какие-то там разоблачения спецслужб, прослушивающих телефоны и читающих чужие письма без решения суда. Ибо у нас, слава богу, правовое государство – российские спецслужбы еще с 2008 года имеют полное законное право прослушивать телефонные разговоры и читать электронную почту, всем это известно и разоблачать нечего. Но пока ты только начинаешь знакомиться со всеми измерениями свободы нашего российского общества, позволь мне дать тебе пару скромных советов – как никак у нас тут в России есть своя специфика и лучше бы тебе знать о ней заранее.

Во-первых, Эд, смело занимайся любимым делом. Это в Америке разоблачать правительство было чревато неприятностями, в нашей же свободной стране ничего такого нет, даже наоборот – люди, разоблачающие американское правительство всячески поощряются и делают прекрасную карьеру. Чего я тебе и желаю. Но только призываю тебя не забывать, с каким именно правительством ты борешься. Ибо если ты в пылу эмоцией тут что-то перепутаешь, тебе придётся вернуться в капсульную комнату (причем, скорее всего, даже не в аэропорту).

Во-вторых, старина, сразу бы тебе лучше усвоить, что Россия – это духовная страна. Возможно, в американской школе тебя учили, что российские богатства – это нефть и лес. Так вот это уже давно не так. Всю нефть украл Михаил Ходорковский еще в 2004 году, а намедни и вес лес украл Алексей Навальный, так что главные наши богатства нынче духовные – православие, самодержавие и народность. Православие – это очень либеральная религия, можно пить алкоголь, есть свинину, гонять в подпитии на родстере BMW с дипномерами, как игумен Тимофей – в общем, ни в чем себе не отказывай. Главное – не танцевать. Танцевать нельзя, это уголовка. Но ты же не танцор, что тебе, какая разница. Самодержавие же – это такая традиционная российская форма демократии, очень духовная, тебе понравится. Каждые несколько лет мы выбираем Владимира Путина. Владимир Путин поймал почти самого большого в мире сома. А самого-самого большого поймал Лукашенко. Это всё, что тебе следует знать о политике в странах СНГ. Если ты не хочешь вернуться в капсульный отель где-нибудь в Краснокаменске. Народность - это национальный дух. Ознакомиться с ним можно посредством песен Стаса Михайлова, но лично мой совет - не знакомься.

В-третьих, ты не подумай ничего такого, мне лично всё равно, но все-таки лучше, если ты не гей. А если гей, то из отеля на всякий случай не выходи. А если еврей – то не становись сельским учителем. Дурацкий совет, вроде бы, да? Но я-то знаю, о чём говорю. Просто поверь.

Я слышал, адвокат Кучерена подарил тебе «Преступление и наказание» - это отличная книга, прочти её пожалуйста ДО того как познакомишься с одной пожилой женщиной по имени Елена Мизулина. Не делай того, за что бы тебе потом пришлось раскаиваться! Какой бы благородной идеей ты ни руководствовался.
И напоследок, пару дельных советов: не нарушай правила дорожного движения пока не станешь депутатом, не трать деньги на покупку квартиры (просто познакомься с Рамзаном Кадыровым), учись играть в бадминтон, а если предложат выдвигаться в мэры Москвы – не соглашайся, это разводка! И запомни три простых правила: белого не надевать (по крайней мере не рядом с Болотной площадью), обтягивающего не носить (во всяком случае, слишком обтягивающего и рядом с Госдумой) и не танцевать (по крайней мере рядом с церквями).

Ты не подумай только, что я тебя пугаю. Наоборот же. В остальном-то у нас все можно. Хочешь ври, хочешь – воруй, хоть 13 лет подряд, никаких проблем. Просто помни мои советы. А лучше, что уж там, не выходи из этого отеля своего. Не могу объяснить. Ты не поймешь все равно. Просто – лучше не выходи.

Originally Posted by Lampada

http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/dobrokhotov/1127964-echo/


Открытое письмо Эдварду Сноудену

02 августа 2013, 13:56 Роман Доброхотов член Политсовета партии 5 декабря


Дорогой Эд!

Well, since there are papers like this one, things can't be that bad. Plus anyone can go online and bitch as much as they like. Also, Russia doesn't make itself out to be the big champion of freedom of speech and human rights on the planet, unlike certain other countries.
So there'd a lot less of hypocrisy if it was revealed that Russia was doing this (and I genuinely don't think it is - I think they focus on real problems, not what people search for on google or email to their friends.

However, if Russia is spying on citizens in a similar way, IT MUST BE REVEALED.
And if the whistleblower has to flee to America, or anywhere else, so be it!

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Not all people do what you do; to me, what you're talking about is indescribably creepy...

Nevertheless, your Promised Land has a long history of toppling off people it doesn't like:
“Targeted Killings”: Timeline of U.S. Policy Concerning Covert Operations Involving Assassination | Global Research

Originally Posted by Hanna

However, if Russia is spying on citizens in a similar way, IT MUST BE REVEALED.
And if the whistleblower has to flee to America, or anywhere else, so be it!

Of course it's spying, everyone knows about it here but no one gives a flying f##k.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Of course it's spying, everyone knows about it here but no one gives a flying f##k.

Wouldn't you care if it was done, and used against you, or somebody you know? If you were denied a job for security reasons without any further details given.. Or if you got pulled out of your bed in the middle of the night because you had made some dramatic statement on a radical website? Or just because someone else under suspicion sent you a few emails or was your friend on a social network.

Anyway; it requires an absolutely spectacular commitment in terms of cost. America has been doing this for years. I think it was 2006 that the first limited evidence was revealed, when the NSA had an interception point at the backbone internet cables somewhere in California.
Whereupon everybody in IT realised that there was something big going on... until NSA started building the biggest computer hall on the universe essentially, for data storage quickly followed by Snowden's revelations.

In the UK, everyone in IT knew about the Menwith Hill spying central only the exact purpose was a bit shady. Now we know that the worst suspicions are true.

Sweden has a programme like this, going back many years, but was open about it from day one and there was plenty of debate and demonstrations. Nevertheless think it's revolting, but at least they didn't lie about it.

I think that if Russia was doing something on a scale near what the UK or USA are doing, then somebody would have felt obliged to publish it.
Online, or in foreign press or whatever, but it would have come out.




Wired's awesome and extremely interesting article that everybody in the USA / EU / NATO absolutely should read

Apparently they figured out how to decrypt 128 bit encryption on the fly (?!!) so VPN will do you no good if you want privacy. Only TOR.

However, if Russia is spying on citizens in a similar way, IT MUST BE REVEALED.

It is as good as revealed in this Wikipedia article: "Для непосредственно прослушивания разговоров решение суда официально требуется, но для получения другой информации (например, о фактах совершения вызовов) санкции суда не требуется. В то же время технических ограничений на прослушивание разговоров нет".

I hope you can appreciate this turn of phrase -- "решение суда официально требуется" instead of "требуется решение суда".

Originally Posted by Lampada

http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/dobrokhotov/1127964-echo/


Открытое письмо Эдварду Сноудену

FYI

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Nevertheless, your Promised Land has a long history of toppling off people it doesn't like

If you discover what YOUR idol countries were doing at that time, you may get surprised...

"The Lord of the Files"

Agreed to “The Lord of the Files and His Firm Clasp”

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