Thread: Does Communism still have a role to play, or is it dead?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

The difference between what and what?

Between your point and mine.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Ok, so let's talk about the values a bit. The last time I checked on the Communist manifesto they said [:]File Not Found "Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family. [...] The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital."

I wonder why you are bringing it up. I wrote that 'communism is possible but not in the way Marx or Lenin saw it'. The basic principle still remains.
Let's speak of value. What is value? Comfort? Things that might get our lives better? OK, but what IS 'better'? These things depend on how we think of this world. And what determines the way how we think? Being determines consciousness. What is good and what is bad? Крошка сын к отцу пришел...
Let's remember the Moral code of the Builder of Communism - is it so bad? What, the cult of money and consumption is better than that?
Having more money and a better car is actually nothing compared to the number of saved lives by a surgeon, but who cares about it these days? Really? Moral comfort is sometimes more valuable than the comfort of your butt...
No, I think I'm wasting my time here...

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Well, not everything is possible.

Now, I'm really crushed. 'Working hard' doesn't get me a Maserati?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

I think you might have perceived the capitalism at some point in some brilliant colours and then got disillusioned, hence the anger in your words.

Hardly that. I've never been all that taken by the capitalism, even though I'd happenned to visit Western Germany 2 years before the Berlin Wall fell. I always thought that Communism is a far better economical, political and social system than capitalism. If I ever was disillusioned that was rather in my countrymen who failed and surrendered. I've never felt any sympaties for capitalism. (Must be some heavy communistic brainwashing I've undergone in my childhood)

Originally Posted by Crocodile

However, the capitalism is nothing more than the declaration of the private property.

And? Is that good?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

And the communism is nothing more than the abolition of the private property.

Is that bad?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

That is all to it, really. Those capitalists which tempt the consumers with new cars, are not devils which are trying to get souls, they are just trying to sell it to you.

But why are they trying to sell it to me? To feel more butt-comfort?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

It is your personal responsibility not to buy it if you don't have money.

Oooookay. Responsibility. So, when the communists were saying 'It's a personal responsibility of every Soviet citizen to postpone his/her own interests to the public welfare' the capitalists were saying 'Lolwut? No sane man will do that, that's impossible, people are weak...' But when we spoke about temptation to spend more than you can afford in order to look (not to be) more successful (according to the devil's advertisements) the capitalists say 'I's his/her personal responsibility'. These guys are not being very consitent, really.