Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
If you say so. I don't know anything about that. But if they clearly died from starvation as a result of colllectivization, then there is nothing subjective about that either. Of course it does! Most countries in the world are capitalist and people have died of starvation in such countries ever since capitalism started.
Here's the thing. The first and the most important plank of the Communist Manifesto is the abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. That's an objective think. That's the definition of the communism. There could be no subjectivity whatsoever about that. That was being achieved in the USSR by means of the collectivization process. The people who had the land ownership and the crop ownership were deprived of it by the physical force. The choice the farmers faced was either to join the 'collective farming' in which all crop belonged to the state or being starved to death. There were so many deaths that the various estimates differ in MILLIONS of people! So, I think it's relatively safe to conclude that an implementation of a real communism in any country would result in LOTS of deaths. Do you find that subjective?