Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
-political gain: They expand their zone of control, undermining the zone of influence of the principal adversary. American global leadership is confirmed once again.
-military gain; they can deploy anti-missile shield in the Ukraine in the future, protecting the territory of the allies from Russian nukes.
-electoral gain for the next elections: US foreign policy under Democrats can bring better results than that of Republicans.
-geopolitical gain: save Europe from Putin’s supposed encroachments (if they believe in what Ukrainians shout out loud on every occasion and without thereof ).
-emotional gain: outsmart Putin, revenge for Snowden, Asad, etc
- a few shale gas depositories for Baiden’s son to boot.
ok, sounds plausible but history shows that the US rarely wants to spend money on other countries to achieve desired goals but rather try to get it done by somebody else.


Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
I believe Ukrainians are too “hyped up” about Putin to have reasonable government at the moment.))
IDK about that. I think many Ukrainians don't trust their MSM anymore. Also if default would have happened then Ukrainian government would be a "larger evil"
And here is something you wouldn't see every day

Во время недавнего визита президента Украины Петра Порошенко во Львов один из жителей города назвал его «предателем» и отказался пожимать протянутую руку главы страны.
«Я вам руку пожимать не буду, потому что вы предатель!», — сказал житель Львова. Собравшиеся раскритиковали главу государства за то, что при его правлении налоги, в том числе акцизы на топливо, растут быстрее, чем при его предшественнике Викторе Януковиче.
http://russian.rt.com/article/67639