Thread: Is default of Ukraine inevitable?

Originally Posted by hddscan

Hmm, why do you think the US should pay for Ukraine? What would that achieve, besides lost money?

-political gain: They expand their zone of control, undermining the zone of influence of the principal adversary. American global leadership is confirmed once again.
-military gain; they can deploy anti-missile shield in the Ukraine in the future, protecting the territory of the allies from Russian nukes.
-electoral gain for the next elections: US foreign policy under Democrats can bring better results than that of Republicans.
-geopolitical gain: save Europe from Putin’s supposed encroachments (if they believe in what Ukrainians shout out loud on every occasion and without thereof ).
-emotional gain: outsmart Putin, revenge for Snowden, Asad, etc
- a few shale gas depositories for Baiden’s son to boot.

Originally Posted by hddscan

I would partially disagree
I don't think the Right Sector or other neo-nazi would be acceptable by anybody, they would pose serious threat for all neighbor countries.

I don’t expect for them to rule for too long. They would probable resume the full-scale war with people’s republics and facilitate collapse of the state. After their inevitable defeat (which is self-evident without external support) some painful issues including Krim status may be resolved faster than if the conflict is going to be frozen on the current stage. Sanctions also would make less sense for Europe and can be dropped off as early as in March.

Originally Posted by hddscan

I would agree that changing government is a goal. There is no need to set pro-Russian government, reasonable government would be enough to work with. Right now Ukraine does not have reasonable government, at least judging by the budget and goals current Ukrainian government is anti-Ukrainian

I believe Ukrainians are too “hyped up” about Putin to have reasonable government at the moment.))

Originally Posted by diogen_

-political gain: They expand their zone of control, undermining the zone of influence of the principal adversary. American global leadership is confirmed once again.
-military gain; they can deploy anti-missile shield in the Ukraine in the future, protecting the territory of the allies from Russian nukes.
-electoral gain for the next elections: US foreign policy under Democrats can bring better results than that of Republicans.
-geopolitical gain: save Europe from Putin’s supposed encroachments (if they believe in what Ukrainians shout out loud on every occasion and without thereof ).
-emotional gain: outsmart Putin, revenge for Snowden, Asad, etc
- a few shale gas depositories for Baiden’s son to boot.

ok, sounds plausible but history shows that the US rarely wants to spend money on other countries to achieve desired goals but rather try to get it done by somebody else.

Originally Posted by diogen_

I believe Ukrainians are too “hyped up” about Putin to have reasonable government at the moment.))

IDK about that. I think many Ukrainians don't trust their MSM anymore. Also if default would have happened then Ukrainian government would be a "larger evil"
And here is something you wouldn't see every day

Во время недавнего визита президента Украины Петра Порошенко во Львов один из жителей города назвал его «предателем» и отказался пожимать протянутую руку главы страны.

«Я вам руку пожимать не буду, потому что вы предатель!», — сказал житель Львова. Собравшиеся раскритиковали главу государства за то, что при его правлении налоги, в том числе акцизы на топливо, растут быстрее, чем при его предшественнике Викторе Януковиче.

http://russian.rt.com/article/67639