Thread: Communism

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Are you sure you meant to say here what you actually said? =))

some start early.....

Originally Posted by RedFox

Communism can never work, because it is physically impossible.

I know at least three forms of communism that actually worked/work.
1. Primitive communism that is the primitive-communal system of primitive tribes.
2. War (military) communism which is practically the same thing as "mobilization economy" - a type of economy many different countries used during wars.
3. Relationships within a family.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

I know at least three forms of communism that actually worked/work.
1. Primitive communism that is the primitive-communal system of primitive tribes.
2. War (military) communism which is practically the same thing as "mobilization economy" - a type of economy many different countries used during wars.
3. Relationships within a family.

And none of these is what the heavily advertised communism (by the Soviets) was supposed to look like. The first one's just a temporary union of a few hunters, that was to ease the food obtaining process. The second one is robbery of private property by the state. The third one's the perfect family, but even if there are those, that relationship never goes out of the family. The human nature isn't really ready to love themselves and everyone else equally, to make those principles work. The way I see it: everyone would be trying to benefit at the cost of everyone else (the easiest way to do that - do nothing and claim your needs to be as high as you can imagine), and that would make the economy collapse very soon.

There's a good joke, however, that explained how the Soviets really saw communism.

Socialism. The sign on the front door of a store says, "No butter today."
Communism. The sign has been changed to say, "No need in butter today."

Originally Posted by Eric C.

There's a good joke, however, that explained how the Soviets really saw communism.

Socialism. The sign on the front door of a store says, "No butter today."
Communism. The sign has been changed to say, "No need in butter today."

I think you keep confusing communism with power of a corrupt government and planned economy. But it's understandable because that's what was in propaganda that you have been eating.

Originally Posted by hddscan

I think you keep confusing communism with power of a corrupt government and planned economy. But it's understandable because that's what was in propaganda that you have been eating.

Everything you disagree with is propaganda. The politburo of hddscan has spoken. LOL.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Everything you disagree with is propaganda.

It's not me, it's Wikipedia. No doubt it is paid by Kremlin.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

And none of these is what the heavily advertised communism (by the Soviets) was supposed to look like. The first one's just a temporary union of a few hunters, that was to ease the food obtaining process. The second one is robbery of private property by the state. The third one's the perfect family, but even if there are those, that relationship never goes out of the family. The human nature isn't really ready to love themselves and everyone else equally, to make those principles work. The way I see it: everyone would be trying to benefit at the cost of everyone else (the easiest way to do that - do nothing and claim your needs to be as high as you can imagine), and that would make the economy collapse very soon.

I cannot answer for those who highly advertised communism to you, I didn't. As for "just a temporary union of a few hunters" this "temporary" state lasted for hundreds of thousands years, comparing with the history of capitalism, which is hardly more than 3 centuries, it's almost an eternity. As for a state "robbing" its citizens, when the very survival of the nation is at stake, the "robbery" can be justified. And as for families - it's not a bout "perfect" ones, it's about ordinary ones. A family cannot be built on any other type of relation, otherwise it's not a family, maybe a partnership of a kind, but definitely not a family.
Now, what about the place of communism in the ideology of the Soviet state, it never declared it achieved building communism. When I was a schoolboy my teachers said we were living in a society of "developed socialism". And communism always was regarded as a vague remote perspective for the future. The only Soviet leader who dared to promise to "build communism in a 20 years term" was Khrushchev, and he was not famous for adequate behavior.