Thread: Communism

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Were you just on a trip to outer space? The Russian economy is floundering and the neo-Soviet tools put all their eggs in one basket - mostly everything into oil. I chat with lots of Russians and met several on here and vk. There's a lot of Russians who are desperate to leave. Of course, you have brainwashed citizens who worship at the ground of whatever the leadership does.

But, much of it collapsed and it is about to again. I'm not saying the West is better and what people tend to do is think that any critic is automatically saying 'the West' or capitalism (American definition of) is better which is another false assumption. Many Westerners who perceive such positive attributes about post-modern Russia are just ignorant and spend too much time watching RT. 'It is much industrialized.' LOL! Where?!?

Russian economy floundering? No. The West has attempted to destroy it. The Russian GDP more than doubled since the end of the 1990's under Putin and Medvedev. Злорадство?
The Russian economy consists of gas, oil, auto manufacturing, mining, diamond mining, telecommunications equipment, aerospace manufacturing, paper, lumber, agriculture, robotics, ship building, fishing, defense weapon systems, banking, etc etc.

Russia has more academic graduates than any other country in Europe. (And world leader in percentage of population with associate degree or higher: 54%, compared to 31% in UK).

Economy of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like it or no, Russia is - and will continue to be - a vital player in the global economy and a very important asset on the world stage.

Originally Posted by xXHoax

Teenage Highschooler age. When I'm on vk, I don't know if I'm just looking in the wrong place, but I only see anti-American propaganda. РусскийНеправ&#108.jpg

LOL! Especially "9. будить медведей, чтобы их сфотографировать.". Poor bears, lol! I think that list is more for lulz than propaganda.

Originally Posted by xXHoax

I see what you mean. What about a person not working as hard as another, because it won't benefit him any more? Isn't it unfair that a person working way less than me would get just as much?

1. Capitalist mentality - Live and let die.
2. Communist/socialist mentality - Live and let live.

That's an extreme comparison but it's basically solid.
Anyway, I don't really believe that Союз Советских Социалистических Республик was a communist State. Soviet basically only means "council" and Socialist totally does mean "Socialist". The USSR was an escape from cruel treatment and hyper taxation. It transferred ownership from greedy oligarchs to the common people. Well imo, what's fair = when all working people are treated with equal respect and equal rewards.
Is it the fault of the mentally challenged that they can't achieve the skills to build industries or manage the banks? And if they work hard then should they be penalized for being disabled? I don't think so. So am I a "commie"? No. It's only that I equally respect all people who contribute to the socio-economic world that we live in.

Doctors Without Borders? How abuot People Without Borders (borders like classes based on skill levels or sheer luck).
But yeah, I do think it's very interesting to learn more about the USSR and to learn about it from people who lived there. I don't really know what form of government to call it but it did exist and it was responsible for Russia becoming a major player on the world stage.

I know some who would say:
-What about the millions that died under the U.S.S.R?
-Humans naturally work in self interest, only massive amounts of propaganda can attempt to change that.
-A person working harder should get more reward based on his work, he is working harder, and contributing to society more.

I presented the idea that although the Soviet Union may not have been great, it did (and I quote from a russian) "bring us from third world country to nuclear superpower in 30 years.". The response was... Sort of that that (<-- ENGLISH WHY) wasn't true.

Originally Posted by xXHoax

I know some who would say:
-What about the millions that died under the U.S.S.R?
-Humans naturally work in self interest, only massive amounts of propaganda can attempt to change that.
-A person working harder should get more reward based on his work, he is working harder, and contributing to society more.

I presented the idea that although the Soviet Union may not have been great, it did (and I quote from a russian) "bring us from third world country to nuclear superpower in 30 years.". The response was... Sort of that that (<-- ENGLISH WHY) wasn't true.

And now they're going back to near-third world status from neo-Soviet/commie ideas and policies. What goes around, comes around.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

..It transferred ownership from greedy oligarchs to the common people. Well imo, what's fair..
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you forgot to mention it also stole (transformed) ownership of millions of people who were not oligarchs. even 'common' people with only little farmlandownership etc lost all their belongings and in the process many families were cruelly destroyed.