Thread: Century of the Self Documentary

Originally Posted by fortheether

Right wing propaganda from the left wing media? Now that's funny. You really don't know American tv if your saying the media here (USA) is right wing.

Scott

fortheether - I disagree with you. There's a whole, whole lot of right-wing media in the US. And what passes for "left-wing" is largely an attempt by private right-wing bodies, funds and organizations to undermine the current, standing left-wing government. Of course, it might be considerable, that I live in a "red" state, a right-wing, republican/libertarian mecca, if you will, home of such giants of right-wing stoneheadedness as Arpaio, and Jans both Brewer and Napolitano. (NJ: red or blue? IHDK) .....From my view, there's so much right-wingedness, that the only political thought that gets into the view of the public that is NOT right, be it simple news-media or what-not, is that false-flag left-wing malarky that has been so finely crafted since Obama took office, purely to sap the foundation of any left movements before they can establish. (Asking a TP-er for advice on what our country should do is like asking Rage Against the Machine what our country should do: "I don't know man, but I know what they SHOULDN'T do!")

And I do worry about all the right-wing propaganda I get when I turn on the TV. (Part of why i threw my TV out.) I seriously doubt Osama Bin Laden was killed, by us, if he ever existed. In a democratic presidency term, with several wars on and the upper hand ("reportedly") in the middle east situation, why would we care about Bin Laden dying? More importantly, WHO would care? The right-wing bodies that initiated the 'war on turban' in the first place, thereby protecting both their own reputations (increasingly less an issue as people begin to lose the ability to do as hanna says and self-document [remember the old prole in 1984, who couldn't remember what it was like before? case-in-point] ) as well as, and most importantly, their chances to retake control of the country at the next election. What better way to secure the chance of republican redomination then to send back news to the homeland of our "boys," happy as hunters holding dead ducks, saying they "got 'er done"?

Most importantly, in the country that's the home of the phrase "Question authority," why do we (USA) accept what we're told as true without verification? Right and left are just two clever reflections from the same mirror. They're bullies who've been turned against each other, Hatfields and McCoys. And their real purpose is to push against each other, and minimize chance that any effective intellectual property ever make it past them. You would think with all the great minds that have come and gone in this country, someone would've picked up on that.. but, promise someone a tax shelter and my, look at them run..

Originally Posted by kidkboom

fortheether - I disagree with you. There's a whole, whole lot of right-wing media in the US. And what passes for "left-wing" is largely an attempt by private right-wing bodies, funds and organizations to undermine the current, standing left-wing government. Of course, it might be considerable, that I live in a "red" state, a right-wing, republican/libertarian mecca, if you will, home of such giants of right-wing stoneheadedness as Arpaio, and Jans both Brewer and Napolitano. (NJ: red or blue? IHDK) .....From my view, there's so much right-wingedness, that the only political thought that gets into the view of the public that is NOT right, be it simple news-media or what-not, is that false-flag left-wing malarky that has been so finely crafted since Obama took office, purely to sap the foundation of any left movements before they can establish. (Asking a TP-er for advice on what our country should do is like asking Rage Against the Machine what our country should do: "I don't know man, but I know what they SHOULDN'T do!")

And I do worry about all the right-wing propaganda I get when I turn on the TV. (Part of why i threw my TV out.) I seriously doubt Osama Bin Laden was killed, by us, if he ever existed. In a democratic presidency term, with several wars on and the upper hand ("reportedly") in the middle east situation, why would we care about Bin Laden dying? More importantly, WHO would care? The right-wing bodies that initiated the 'war on turban' in the first place, thereby protecting both their own reputations (increasingly less an issue as people begin to lose the ability to do as hanna says and self-document [remember the old prole in 1984, who couldn't remember what it was like before? case-in-point] ) as well as, and most importantly, their chances to retake control of the country at the next election. What better way to secure the chance of republican redomination then to send back news to the homeland of our "boys," happy as hunters holding dead ducks, saying they "got 'er done"?

Most importantly, in the country that's the home of the phrase "Question authority," why do we (USA) accept what we're told as true without verification? Right and left are just two clever reflections from the same mirror. They're bullies who've been turned against each other, Hatfields and McCoys. And their real purpose is to push against each other, and minimize chance that any effective intellectual property ever make it past them. You would think with all the great minds that have come and gone in this country, someone would've picked up on that.. but, promise someone a tax shelter and my, look at them run..

Do you mean NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, MSNBC, NPR, NY Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post are right wing? Can you give me examples of all the right media in the USA (except for Fox of course) you mentioned?

NJ is very liberal. I think the state motto should be "NJ, why am I still here?"

Originally Posted by fortheether

Do you mean NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, MSNBC, NPR, NY Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post are right wing? Can you give me examples of all the right media in the USA (except for Fox of course) you mentioned?

NJ is very liberal. I think the state motto should be "NJ, why am I still here?"

I mean AP, who provides news releases to all these organizations. I mean ClearChannel, who owns all the portals of news distribution across all of these "networks." There may be 50 different kinds of cereal on the shelf at the store, but they're all "General Mills." It's like that. And trust me, the people who are indentured into the upper perches of this system all went to college. They understand how to construct a system so that the intellectual manifests that run it are pied, not visible to the naked eye (and always subject to debate).

And sometimes it's even easier than that: With the Bin Laden thing, all that had to be done is that the military's press people said This, That and The Other Thing. Since their internal processes are neither transparent nor open to debate, that was the end of that. But still their performance is rife with clues of their dishonesty.. To me, the sheer volume of press releases that day about Bin Laden, coupled with their subjects and the pointlessness of most of the information released, speaks volumes.

You should come to Arizona. It's very Republican, if you like that sort of thing. Of course you'll have to put up with the daily occurrence of seeing the Latino people treated as a second-class race by those in power.. but this is the US, most people have already seen that sort of thing. ;

NPR is a particularly poignant topic.. Recently they "denounced" their Republican sponsorship, apparently over a white-glove incident between two white-collar production executives, if I remember right.. Ironically, as soon as they "shook the yoke" of their REP sponsorship, they started to release en masse articles about militarily sensitive parts of the world, with their information falling right in line with the AP and other major releases out there.

Meanwhile, you have hundreds of publications from other parts of the planet openly conflicting, contradicting and refuting a great portion of the "Western" account of situations, and in some of these discrepancies the subject matter differs so largely it's like two completely different occurrences... Both the powers in the West and the powers in the East have reasons to misinform people about some of these events, so - who do you trust?

Okay, examples.. Well, they're everywhere. (C)NBC staffs a guy named Larry Kudlow to talk about money and politics. He used to work for Bush-Cheney and sees through REP eyes, as well as mad-dogging the undies of the GOPs like a fanboy. Not to mention their ubiquitous NBC-approved adline: "Invest in US Oil and Gas." Gee, that's not pro-REP, is it? For CBS... Romney blasts Obama on jobs as two new GOP polls show him ahead - Political Hotsheet - CBS News Look at this thinly-veiled attempt to promote a REP presidental candidate for the next election.

And dude, the list goes on.. I don't have the time to be a full-time blogger and find all the examples, because you listed like 20 networks. But they're there. If this is about finding out what's going on, go check it out for yourself, you'll see them. But if it's about winning/losing an argument.. I didn't mean to get one of those things going, these are just my own thoughts, notes and observations.

Originally Posted by kidkboom

I mean AP, who provides news releases to all these organizations. I mean ClearChannel, who owns all the portals of news distribution across all of these "networks." There may be 50 different kinds of cereal on the shelf at the store, but they're all "General Mills." It's like that. And trust me, the people who are indentured into the upper perches of this system all went to college. They understand how to construct a system so that the intellectual manifests that run it are pied, not visible to the naked eye (and always subject to debate).

And sometimes it's even easier than that: With the Bin Laden thing, all that had to be done is that the military's press people said This, That and The Other Thing. Since their internal processes are neither transparent nor open to debate, that was the end of that. But still their performance is rife with clues of their dishonesty.. To me, the sheer volume of press releases that day about Bin Laden, coupled with their subjects and the pointlessness of most of the information released, speaks volumes.

You should come to Arizona. It's very Republican, if you like that sort of thing. Of course you'll have to put up with the daily occurrence of seeing the Latino people treated as a second-class race by those in power.. but this is the US, most people have already seen that sort of thing. ;

NPR is a particularly poignant topic.. Recently they "denounced" their Republican sponsorship, apparently over a white-glove incident between two white-collar production executives, if I remember right.. Ironically, as soon as they "shook the yoke" of their REP sponsorship, they started to release en masse articles about militarily sensitive parts of the world, with their information falling right in line with the AP and other major releases out there.

Meanwhile, you have hundreds of publications from other parts of the planet openly conflicting, contradicting and refuting a great portion of the "Western" account of situations, and in some of these discrepancies the subject matter differs so largely it's like two completely different occurrences... Both the powers in the West and the powers in the East have reasons to misinform people about some of these events, so - who do you trust?

Okay, examples.. Well, they're everywhere. (C)NBC staffs a guy named Larry Kudlow to talk about money and politics. He used to work for Bush-Cheney and sees through REP eyes, as well as mad-dogging the undies of the GOPs like a fanboy. Not to mention their ubiquitous NBC-approved adline: "Invest in US Oil and Gas." Gee, that's not pro-REP, is it? For CBS... Romney blasts Obama on jobs as two new GOP polls show him ahead - Political Hotsheet - CBS News Look at this thinly-veiled attempt to promote a REP presidental candidate for the next election.

And dude, the list goes on.. I don't have the time to be a full-time blogger and find all the examples, because you listed like 20 networks. But they're there. If this is about finding out what's going on, go check it out for yourself, you'll see them. But if it's about winning/losing an argument.. I didn't mean to get one of those things going, these are just my own thoughts, notes and observations.

To each their own - to me those media outlets are cheerleaders for Obama and his progressive policies.

Scott

Originally Posted by kidkboom

Right and left are just two clever reflections from the same mirror. They're bullies who've been turned against each other, Hatfields and McCoys. And their real purpose is to push against each other, and minimize chance that any effective intellectual property ever make it past them.

I think you're too harsh on them. Have a look at the other countries. Do you think the two-party system is worst of them all?