Thread: Another one bites the dust...

Ужасно...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061007/ap_ ... ist_killed

Как страшно жить...

Русские, объясните, пожалуйста, почему всех честных людей в России убывают. Что происходит у вас???

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Русские, объясните, пожалуйста, почему всех честных людей в России убывают. Что происходит у вас???

There are no honest people at all in any country !!!

Почему же всех? Думаю, еще немало честных людей осталось живых и здоровых.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Почему же всех? Думаю, еще немало честных людей осталось живых и здоровых.

ну не могут всех убывать сразу и одновременно, ты подожди годик и посмотрим сколько ещё осталось...

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Почему же всех? Думаю, еще немало честных людей осталось живых и здоровых.

ну не могут всех убывать сразу и одновременно, ты подожди годик и посмотрим сколько ещё осталось...

Ну не могут всех убить сразу (одновременно), ты подожди годик и посмотрим сколько еще останется

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Русские, объясните, пожалуйста, почему всех честных людей в России убивают. Что происходит у вас???

О покойниках надо говорить либо хорошо, либо никак. Я ничего говорить не буду.

Царствие небесное, рабе божьей Анне.

Originally Posted by Ramil

О покойниках надо говорить либо хорошо, либо никак. Я ничего говорить не буду.|

Я тоже.

Originally Posted by Ramil

О покойниках надо говорить либо хорошо, либо никак. Я ничего говорить не буду.

И я лучше помолчу...

Ужас! Пусть земля ей будет пухом.

Ещё одна смелая женщина Wafa Sultan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Negt6IzxPTo&eurl=

Какая сумасшедшая страна.

I can't believe people actually feel bad for her. If anything she was hurting more than helping. What does turning people against the military and against the war help? Killing, abducting, torturing of civilians ins't right/ But its war, and a war that Russia is struggling to win.

By exposing all these "atrocoties" she is just turning the public opinion away from the war. She might as well write a "FREE CHECHNYA OF OCCUPIERS" sign and wear it around.

I don't feel bad for her at all. Did she also write about how the cells are too small, and the meals not warm enough in Guantanomo bay? Or how maybe Nur- Pashi Kulayev, The only hostage taker to survive inside the beslan school, and who ALSO served in the Russian Army prior to becoming a lowlife dirtbag, Should be set free because he surendered instead of fighting to the death.

Screw that and the soft hippy crap. Let me share a story with you that one of my teachers told me...

One of my Pashtu teachers, is from Nangerhar Afghanistan and about 28 years old. She told our class stories, about how when she was 8, 9, 10 years old, she and her family used to bring water, food, supplies to the Mujahadin fighters. She said after school her mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, uncle, aunts, everyone... would make a huge dinner and her and her brother would hike off into the woods and deliver the food to the Mujahadin, and then sneak back after dark.

Then one day she said she came home from school and the Russians were at her house. They shot her grandma and grandpa and took one of her uncles.

She was fishing for sympathy... but wouldn't get any from me.

She had just spent 10 minutes telling us about how everyone in the village knew where the fighters were, and helped them by supplying and feeding them. Then you try and complain that the Russians killed your family.

Well Wah wah wah cry me a river. If you play with fire you're gunna get burned.

Now this is just 1 story, and I know every family has a diffrent story. And I know not all families were as guilty as hers. But I think they kinds had it comming.

The same goes for civilians in Chechnya. If you feed, supply, clothe, or help/ aid in any way somebody who's whole goal in life is to kill Russians, Americans, Britts, whoever... Then you are just as guilty as the perpetrators themselves. We even have a law about this in America, called. GUILT BY ASSOCIATION. If you drive the car for a bank robber, you are just as guilty as the guy who had the gun.

Now I'm sorry for the people whos lives were truly ruined by bad judegment/ bad leadership of Russian military officers. But you know what, I garuntee not every single civilian in chechnya is/was as innocent as they seem.

Anyone ever seen the movie Блокпост? How about Грозовые ворота?? Perfect examples of how chechen civilians aid terrorists. And they too deserve to be punished.

So im not going to cry for this reporter who most likely did more harm than good. Good riddance to her.

so dogboy, I guess you'd be firmly in the british camp if you were around during the american revolution?
hang around free republic much?

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

So im not going to cry for this reporter who most likely did more harm than good. Good riddance to her.

If you can't distinguish between fighting in a warzone and ambushing a woman in an elevator and murdering her in cold blood, then damn. Just damn. I'll be the first to tell you that I didn't necessarily find her to be the most unbiased of people or without fault. She was hardly your conventional "neutral observer" in her coverage. But to say "good riddance" to someone simply because of what they write is really idiotic. My reason for opening this post wasn't to promote her views or debate Chechnya. Like I said, I have issues with that. But the calculated murder of someone who simply writes unpopular things is disturbing, both for the act itself and for the fact that something like that can happen. Something is truly rotten in the state of Russia...

Originally Posted by din

so dogboy, I guess you'd be firmly in the british camp if you were around during the american revolution?
hang around free republic much?

What does that even mean?

I suppose you're reffering to Chechnyas struggle to become free from Russia. How am i supposed to answer such a hypothetical question like that? Wow what an intelligent thing to ask. Hey, Mr. Im so smart with my Very intriguing questions, Riddle me this...

So you go ahead and grant Chechnya Independance, Then Dagestan, Then Tatartsan. Then how about you give Vladivostok back to the Chinese, and Alaska back the US, and just keep giving land away that is rightfully Russia's untill all thats left is Moscow and a single rail line to St. Petersburg, surrounded by 70 some odd free republics. Yea sounds like a good plan.

The American Revolution was entirely diffrent anyways. The British never OWNED America. America was the homeland of many Frnech immgrants, as well as British, Spanish... etc. All of which had Army forts and interests here. The war against the British has almost nothing in common with the war in Chechya.

If you can't distinguish between fighting in a warzone and ambushing a woman in an elevator and murdering her in cold blood, then damn. Just damn. I'll be the first to tell you that I didn't necessarily find her to be the most unbiased of people or without fault. She was hardly your conventional "neutral observer" in her coverage. But to say "good riddance" to someone simply because of what they write is really idiotic. My reason for opening this post wasn't to promote her views or debate Chechnya. Like I said, I have issues with that. But the calculated murder of someone who simply writes unpopular things is disturbing, both for the act itself and for the fact that something like that can happen. Something is truly rotten in the state of Russia...

I didn't say she deserved to die either. I said she simply had it comming... And when you write about topics so controversial in a growing, changing country like Russia. Well, play with fire, get burned.

Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

Originally Posted by din

so dogboy, I guess you'd be firmly in the british camp if you were around during the american revolution?
hang around free republic much?

What does that even mean?

If you can't distinguish between fighting in a warzone and ambushing a woman in an elevator and murdering her in cold blood, then damn. Just damn. I'll be the first to tell you that I didn't necessarily find her to be the most unbiased of people or without fault. She was hardly your conventional "neutral observer" in her coverage. But to say "good riddance" to someone simply because of what they write is really idiotic. My reason for opening this post wasn't to promote her views or debate Chechnya. Like I said, I have issues with that. But the calculated murder of someone who simply writes unpopular things is disturbing, both for the act itself and for the fact that something like that can happen. Something is truly rotten in the state of Russia...

I didn't say she deserved to die either. I said she simply had it comming... And when you write about topics so controversial in a growing, changing country like Russia. Well, play with fire, get burned.

Simple as that.

you're basically saying that if someone doesn't agree with the status quo, and they speak up about it, they should be punished by the state. you're saying that the means justify the ends as long as the status quo remains intact. youi're trying to argue that things are black and white and that's never been the case. would you like me to make it a little simpler? I'm not sure I can, but I can try.

I am not replying to any message... I'm just having thoughts.

My thoughts return to "V for Vendetta". The power of thoughts.

I cry for her. I hate violence of any and every form.

The lessons of Christ, Ghandi, Kung, Bonhoeffer, Wesley, and many others... were good, and relevant, and most importantly peaceful, with no violence... free thought, free speech, and the peaceful exchange of ideas for all of us to have better lives... and all of them devoted their lives to this idea.

And my visa will probably be revoked for saying this.

Originally Posted by din

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

Originally Posted by din

so dogboy, I guess you'd be firmly in the british camp if you were around during the american revolution?
hang around free republic much?

What does that even mean?

If you can't distinguish between fighting in a warzone and ambushing a woman in an elevator and murdering her in cold blood, then damn. Just damn. I'll be the first to tell you that I didn't necessarily find her to be the most unbiased of people or without fault. She was hardly your conventional "neutral observer" in her coverage. But to say "good riddance" to someone simply because of what they write is really idiotic. My reason for opening this post wasn't to promote her views or debate Chechnya. Like I said, I have issues with that. But the calculated murder of someone who simply writes unpopular things is disturbing, both for the act itself and for the fact that something like that can happen. Something is truly rotten in the state of Russia...

I didn't say she deserved to die either. I said she simply had it comming... And when you write about topics so controversial in a growing, changing country like Russia. Well, play with fire, get burned.

Simple as that.

you're basically saying that if someone doesn't agree with the status quo, and they speak up about it, they should be punished by the state. you're saying that the means justify the ends as long as the status quo remains intact. youi're trying to argue that things are black and white and that's never been the case. would you like me to make it a little simpler? I'm not sure I can, but I can try.

You accuse me of making it black and white, but put words in my mouth? Again, please show me where I said "Because of beliefs she deserved to die" Where did I say "Down with free speach, she needed to be punished by the state".

I said, Her opinion wasn't popular and she had it comming! And for this you might as well have called me a communist. You obviously don't even know what you're talking about, seeing as you dropped the revolutionary war argument and try to label me as the one who has labeled. Heres another idea Mr. riddler. How about you just stop talking untill you can post two things that coincide with each other or show some facts to back it up.

She was unpopular, she had enemies, she got killed. It happens, I say again, repeat, I say again... Maybe you don't understand english that well (seeing as you're probably American its most likely the case. Это она заслужила сама! Понятно? выбрала свой путь и это была ведь ей дорога... Всё, конец связи.