is Jew a race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
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is Jew a race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
Have I missed something? I what to participate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Jewish and Arabs are part of the Semitic race (Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).Quote:
Originally Posted by sperk
No, you haven't. It's just Ramil likes the popcorn. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
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Originally Posted by it-ogo
Was it meant to be funny?
Имелось в виду, что троллинг в данном случае слишком толстый. АккуратнЕе надоть, изячнее.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Да, это я понял. Просто такая редкая птица - слёзы наворачиваются. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
Crocodile isn't the troll here I am... :crazy: Sometimes, at least. I just type whatever comes into my head and half the time I haven't got the time or energy to follow up on discussions. Plus I am rather flexible about my opinions and sometimes I change my mind after reading what someone else says...
But back to Israel; regardless of what you think is wrong with Israel and zionism (probably plenty....),I think people who are Christian should bear in mind that Israel coming into being is pretty much considered to be the fulfillment of biblical prophecy... Or do you simply disregard that? It doesn't mean one has to support everything that Israel does.. but it's not just any little country causing mischief... It's a bit special. I can't help but being willing to give it an extra chance, for that reason. That said; I certainly think they should stop building on the West Bank and try to be the most inclusive society they possibly can. In my current job I recieve software releases from a company in Israel and almost everyone I deal with seems to be Russian.
I think the point of view you exhibit is called the Christian Zionism. If you're really believe in that aren't you afraid of what's coming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
According to assorted prophets the 4th seal has already been opened with Obama being Anti-Christ, of course. Three more to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
The next apocalypse is scheduled for 2012. :)
Not even that. Even if 2012 fails, each subsequent year till 2020 will have at least one, but usually 2 to 3 'ends of the world'. Can't wait to see them. So far, I've been through the assorted apocalypses of 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2007, 2008.
Shush, you cynical non-believer! I'm waiting forQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
the troll'sHanna's response. :)
Take heed ye' heathens!! The end is near.... Repent before it is too late! :bouncy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
No but seriously: It is FAITH, right..? We don't KNOW for sure...
In general I think that people who say they are Christians should at least TRY to believe in the Bible.
Here is my view:
Some very unlikely things that were predicted in the Bible have actually occurred quite recently. It seems to be quite a bit beyond chance. I can't remember the exact details but it certainly made an impact on me when I heard about it.
As far as I can recall, the prophecy from the Book of Revelations predicts that a series of events like the rise of the antichrist and the battle of Armageddon will take place before the end of the world (after which everyone who believes goes to heaven).
The Battle of Armageddon will be the most terrible war the world has ever seen, starting in Israel... Doesn't sound entirely unlikely to me!
And then afterwards somebody will come to power who unites the world in peace... i.e. like the UN with superpowers. Again, that could quite easily be where the world is heading, given globalism etc, etc.
Another interpretation of the Book of Revelations is that there were quite a lot of magic mushrooms growing near where John (who wrote it) lived. So it's either that, or he was divinely inspired.... But if he was just stoned or made it up, then it's quite remarkable how accurate it was. Personally I choose to believe that he was honest about having had a revelation, and that it may very well have been divine.
"Magic" mushrooms, yeah. That explains it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
Alright, those were two very important points on which I would really appreciate to get some more clarifications. So, based on those points and the belief the Armageddon battle will take place between Jesus Christ and the Antichrist and also your belief those events might be just around the corner, WHO do you think might play the role of the Antichrist so that the Antichrist will be defeated and the peace represented by the globalization will reign for one thousand years? Who (what country) is the major driving force of the globalization? And who might, therefore, be the Antichrist who should be against the worldwide peace (=the globalization)? Or, do you think the very opposite and the Antichrist will unite all the countries (=the globalization) and the Jesus Christ will come thankful for the Antichrist who had helped Him to unite the world, and subsequently dismiss (=the battle) the Antichrist as being useless from that point on taking over the global throne for the one thousand years (until the fire comes down etc.)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
An official disclaimer:
So, my previous post to Hanna was an example of trolling. I wrote that post just to demonstrate what the trolling actually is. Trolling is a provocative question with no real answer possible or injection of a provocative information with no meaningful response possible. Like if I start posting in MR something of the type: "Oh, I think all Russians hate all foreigners". That would just incite a negative reaction from all sides, nothing meaningful could come out of that. The same thing about the Apocalypse. Nobody knows anything about it, so all "discussions" around it would either provoke negative or senseless responses. And so the trolls would get their lulz.
I think my discussion with Misha Tal was meaningful (at least from my side) in terms of:
1. Arabs is a group of nations just like anybody else. There should be no prejudice of any kind towards them. In general, I think prejudice is a stupid and dangerous thing.
2. Israel have their valid points. And misunderstanding of those points is a wrong thing for a thinking person to do. The perception of the Zionism as a means for Jews to 'exercise their superiority', 'just another form of Fascism', 'genocide ideology' or something like that is stupid and dangerous. And could lead to a big war.
So, I'm fine with being called a trollodile as a joke. No issues with it-ogo's comments. Misha Tal seems to be a pure and idealistic person and could certainly serve a delicious food for a troll. I had different intentions though.
USSR and USA had proxy armies and "advisers". But whoQuote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
gave awaysold all 75 million of those AK-47s?
Proxies were used in conflicts in Afghanistan, Angola, Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East, and Latin America.
The first proxy war in the Cold War was the Greek Civil War, which started almost as soon as World War II ended. The Western-allied Greek government was nearly overthrown by Communist rebels with limited direct aid from Soviet ally or client states in Yugoslavia, Albania, and Bulgaria.
I think Cuba just might be different if not for the USSR.
@Croc: Maybe we should start a religious discussion; what do you think? But if we do, then people have to put the cards on the table and admit what they actually believe in (if anything).
@capecoddah: Cuba might be a lot more successful if the USA hadn't done its darndest to blockade, sanction, overthrow and generally sabotage its' government! I am not saying it's perfect by far (and I have never been there to judge for myself). But from what little I know, it's not worse than many other places in South/Central America. It's educating all its citizens, feeding them and giving them free healthcare. They are living in a reasonably equal society without those horrible inequalities that exists in many of th (US supported) South American states which are no more democratic than Cuba is. Oh btw, just remembered: My sister went there on some kind of nurse exchange program and said that the healthcare and conditions for nurses there were much better than any other third world country she's visited (she's been on several of those exchanges).
AFAIK, main exporter of AK was China. Well, isn't the idea of providing cheap reliable and effective weapon to everybody who wants in perfect correspondence with "American Dream"? God made men, but AK-47 made them equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
Maybe but USA undoubtedly always had much more influence on Cuba and its fate than USSR anyway. BTW Cuba is not so bad place now. Many people say that it is much better than it was before Castro's revolution.Quote:
I think Cuba just might be different if not for the USSR.
Maybe just for the trolling purposes. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
(I think it's been a common knowledge the religious discussions are fruitless.)
Having lived in "North Cuba" (South Florida), I've met people from the Cuban Yacht Club that came to the US on rafts. Something about having to leave a country in such a fashion makes me think things aren't all rosy there. I know people that left during the revolution that hate Castro with every fiber of their being.Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
They have lovely tourist beaches there, but the locals can't go to them. They have a lot of lovely things the average Cuban never sees but is wonderful window dressing. I can count the number of present Cubans on this board with both hands behind my back (read: no internet). Satellite television is a criminal offense for most people there. Hell, Fidel took his family's farm (his mother never forgave him), and his sister spied for the CIA refusing payment. Cuba si, Castro no.
Central and South America are screwed up because of the Spanish and Portuguese. WAY before the Colonies became the USA.
So you listened to Castro's enemies (including US politicians) and did not listen to Castro's friends. You really expect your idea of Cuba to be adequate? According to some sources, before Castro there was a small class of relatively rich people, all the rest were extremely poor. Those formerly rich people are enough to hate but not enough to make noticeable resistance with all US help. Now poor people are still poor but they have relatively good medicine, education, sport etc. According to UN Human Development Index Cuba is about 4-5th place in Latin America, which is not so bad (remember that income is taken into account in this index). Maybe if they were able to sell to USA their cigars, they were 1st? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
As for Yacht Club, yes, people always look for better life, especially when they expect some privileges because of the politics. And for those privileges they are ready to say whatever you like to hear. You know, how many people from democratic NATO Turkey moved to Germany? I don't speak about Mexico...
Err... What is "screwed up"? :)Quote:
Central and South America are screwed up because of the Spanish and Portuguese. WAY before the Colonies became the USA.
Spanish and Portuguese Empires provided Latin America with its contemporary population. Now they are no more for a long time. USA is still there, has great influence - political, economical, military - and use it, so USA is responsible for everything happened there in much bigger measure than USSR (which is BTW also no more). There is "white man's burden" and "white man's" responsibility whether you like it or not. Castro did not want USA people to use Cuba as a cheap brothel any more. He can be understood.
Agree with it-ogo and in addition:
Didn't South Americans invent the expression "Yankee go home"? They kicked out the Spanish several hundred years ago and it's old news.. But where the Spaniards stopped, the USA took over!
I thought it was invented in Virginia. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
Depends what the home of a Yankee is: ;)
Quote:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
And there must be someone who Yankee is for those who eat pie for breakfast in Vermont.
Yeah! I'm back. Been to some village up north for a short vacation. This discussion has moved way ahead, but I'll catch up. Нужно время!
@ Misha: Sounds good! Have you got any pictures?
@Croc: Yeah, maybe you are not entirely innocent of trolling....
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Originally Posted by Hanna
Mat. 13:34 '...and without a parable spake he not unto them.'
Isaiah 29:11 & 12 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.'
Isaiah 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; [and] their hearts, that they cannot understand.
I think that oldtimers are allowed to troll... a little. A we can call it differently. Ranting? Venting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
Let's settle with hunting. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Very few of them are "postable"! For some of the things I've said on this forum, I don't think it's a good idea to post photos of myself (or other "gang members"). This one will give you an idea of what it was like (none of the guys you see there are members of our gang...):Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
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I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misha Tal
:wall:
You just don't get it. Che Guevara shirt wearing college freshmen. Cuba "Enemies" are 99%, friends are 1%. Grow up... I'll toss you out to Calle Ocho (8th Avenue), Miami and see if you last more than a day. Castro is an idiot, so is Chavez. If they are so damn smart, why are their citizens coming to USA? South Americans going to Russia? :lol2: The few that show up are treated how well?
I love my J-1 visa Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian and other Eastern European workers. They complain when they arrive, then cry when they have to go home.. You have a failed economy. Sorry, you got a fail.
Oh, man! Looks like Soviet brainwashing was baby talk in comparison to American one. At least I am sure that it was unable to put human being into such a condition.
Judging by your comment it was not.:mosking:Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
Um?:confused::angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
By your definitions, but you are comparing apples with pears here.Quote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
They started of from a feudal state, much later than the USA, and their aim was to create something fair for everyone.
They didn't get their wealth exploiting the third world etc.
Plus if the USA is so great, what about the terrible murder rates, the black ghettos, white trash....
The feudal Russia was much wealthier than the USA at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
No comments as they would be perceived as a pure trolling. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
Exploiting, exploiting, exploiting ... Do you really think the biggest issue of the third world is being exploited by the US? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
Ah, so let's compare apples with apples now. Do you feel like comparing the murder/poverty rates globally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
