Thread: 9/11

Originally Posted by capecoddah

Wow.

RT invaded MasterRussian...

That's MY theory.

There's no point debating this here, really.

Most of the posters won't check out the evidence and although I know what Mr. Throbert is getting at, you could do that all day long: Why can't it be North Korea? Why not Pakistan? Maybe a troika of Canada, India and Wonderland. You can name anyone and suggest it's a superpower to get maximum effect. Yet, with countless sources and investigations by Source A, B, C and so on, no one has any evidence of it being China or Russia. It just gets away from what has been found or it is a ruse to get away from the big questions. If you want to play that game and for others that make jokes, have fun.

Also, with an Admin that is encouraging it, and other cheerleaders adding to it, it is just another example of how a perpetrator can get away with it. It all speaks volumes.

By the way, since 14Russian thinks I've done no "research," I must ask whether 14Russian has ever "researched" sites like Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage -- which, let it be noted, is skeptical of the "alternative" theories, and not skeptical of the "official version" (or at least the scientific aspects of the "official version"). And it goes into rather exhaustive detail about the specific claims made by the conspiracy theorists -- as well as the information that conspiracy theorists DON'T discuss.

Just as one example, here's a diagram of the debris field from the two towers, from the sub-page devoted to WTC 7:



Why is this significant? Because, while conspiracy theorists make a big deal about the fact that WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane (implying that there was no major structural damage) the building was hit by large and heavy pieces of WTC 1! And we know from photographic evidence that debris from the North Tower struck WTC 7 in way that damaged some of the support columns in the lower half of the building (i.e., there was the weight of perhaps 25 or more stories above the weakened section). Moreover, the region struck by heavy debris was in the zone where the emergency generators and their fuel tanks were located.

Of course, these observations don't prove that the fires started by falling debris (plus the damaged steel columns on the building's southern side) were sufficient to collapse WTC 7. Nor do they disprove that there were explosives already in the building. But what this page shows, IMHO, is that conspiracy theorists vastly overstate the importance of WTC 7 as a "SMOKING GUN!!!!" that can only be explained by a huge gummint plot.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

You can name anyone and suggest it's a superpower to get maximum effect.

Why suggest that a "superpower" was behind it?

You don't need the resources of a "superpower" to smuggle knives through an airport metal detector and then tell the passengers and crew that you've got a bomb in order to seize control of the plane (which definitely happened).

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

Why suggest that a "superpower" was behind it?

You don't need the resources of a "superpower" to smuggle knives through an airport metal detector and then tell the passengers and crew that you've got a bomb in order to seize control of the plane (which definitely happened).

All your speculation and questions have been addressed or answered. But, you refused to look into it. I.e. you didn't view the videos I posed.

Also, since I am such a rude and fanatical person as accused and addressed as so, I don't find any purpose in continuing.

The author you also ignored and stated in explicit terms as suspicious because of the language some website used, has very methodically debunked the 'Debunkers.' Why would I continue when you are only picking certain areas to debate on?

I think after 10 years, most people who have read even bits and parts on 9/11 would be aware of the Debunkers page and the NIST report. Both which have been addressed by various sources.

Debunking the Debunkers

Debunking the '9/11 Debunkers' With Stewart Bradley - 911truth.org

Dr. David Ray Griffin - Debunking the 9/11 Debunkers - Vancouver BC, May 16, 2007 : Vancouver 9/11 Truth Society : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

Debunking 9/11 Debunking - Let's Get Empirical - Pt.1 of 9 - YouTube

As for the security in the building and time for explosives, this has been explained already, a long time ago:

9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush

World Trade Center | Marvin Bush and the Planting of Explosives

World Trade Center

Security, Secrecy and a Bush Brother | 911Blogger.com

There are also numerous sites that state that Marvin Bush was gone but there's nothing (i.e. none) to suggest he had no role.

Anyway, these are too much of a 'conspiracy' for most people so who cares, I guess.