Thread: Что происходит в Украине? События, новости.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I have been reading so much about how Russia is modernising its military, so I thought those looked too old! Then of course. I am no expert...

Why should it look new? It's not iPhone, you know

Originally Posted by Hanna

I read that Russia sent 2000 troops to Crimea just now.
Since I don't know anything about wars I don't know the significance. It doesn't seem enough for any large operation though...

There's no need in large operation. Russia sends military to control key transport. infrastructure objects and army depots. Looks like Kiev has no loyal troops in Crimea and no way to bring them there.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Plus I am aware that anything Russia does will be interpreted and written up in the most negative spin possible.

It's OK. Russia knows, if they blame you - you are doing all rignt, but if they praise you - you should stop and think what's gone wrong.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I'm aware that Crimea could be argued as being "Russian" territory but that many others would not agree.

If it would be decided on local referendum - there would be no way to deny it.

Originally Posted by Hanna

If Russia does actually go in militarily, then it will change my perception of Russia as a peaceful country. I can certainly understand the reasons for doing it, but Nato, Poland, the Baltics, Scandinavia and others would immediately see that as "proof" of Russia's aggressiveness. So I hope that doesn't happen.

No way Russia is a peaceful country. People in internet praise every successful military action, taken by russian forces. They somehow know all weapon models, helicopter models, clothes series, modifications and so on.

The worst fear would be civil war in Ukraine, and war by proxy between Russia and Nato. What have Russian papers been writing?[/QUOTE]

The thing is - civil war in Ukraine is advantageous for Russia. That doesn't mean Russia wants civil war or makes something to begin it. But in that case all eastern regions could be separated from Ukraine.

Originally Posted by Suobig

The thing is - civil war in Ukraine is advantageous for Russia. That doesn't mean Russia wants civil war or makes something to begin it. But in that case all eastern regions could be separated from Ukraine.

Could you elaborate a bit. In what way a civil war in Ukraine will be advantageous for Russia?

Originally Posted by Ramil

Could you elaborate a bit. In what way a civil war in Ukraine will be advantageous for Russia?

Russia can act as a peacemaker: take under military control eastern regions, accept refugees from western regions. Then eastern regions initate referendum and separate from Ukraine. Russia gets loyal country or even part of territory.

Originally Posted by Suobig

Russia can act as a peacemaker: take under military control eastern regions, accept refugees from western regions. Then eastern regions initate referendum and separate from Ukraine. Russia gets loyal country or even part of territory.

You heard of Pridnestrovie, Kosovo, etc? Nobody won these wars. Thousands of refugees will go through the Ukraninan-Russian border and the locals won't like it. Moreover, rouble will go down, all Russian market will collapse. Our European 'friends' will 'discover' all sorts of military crimes committed by our 'peace-makers'. Trade sanctions will be imposed. We'll have military insurgents committing guerilla attacks not only in Ukraine, but in Russia itself. All Ukrainian infrastructure will be destroyed in the first several weeks. Russia will get ruins and extra several million hungry mouths to feed. I really cannot understand how can you be so blind to not seeing that a civil war in Ukraine will be a disaster. This war should be avoided at all costs.

Originally Posted by Ramil

You heard of Pridnestrovie, Kosovo, etc? Nobody won these wars. Thousands of refugees will go through the Ukraninan-Russian border and the locals won't like it. Moreover, rouble will go down, all Russian market will collapse. Our European 'friends' will 'discover' all sorts of military crimes committed by our 'peace-makers'. Trade sanctions will be imposed. We'll have military insurgents committing guerilla attacks not only in Ukraine, but in Russia itself. All Ukrainian infrastructure will be destroyed in the first several weeks. Russia will get ruins and extra several million hungry mouths to feed. I really cannot understand how can you be so blind to not seeing that a civil war in Ukraine will be a disaster. This war should be avoided at all costs.

I agree with this. I don't like what is currenltly happening in Crimea at all. Also Putin once again acts like a d!ck by not explaining to public what he is doing.

Originally Posted by Ramil

You heard of Pridnestrovie, Kosovo, etc? Nobody won these wars. Thousands of refugees will go through the Ukraninan-Russian border and the locals won't like it. Moreover, rouble will go down, all Russian market will collapse. Our European 'friends' will 'discover' all sorts of military crimes committed by our 'peace-makers'. Trade sanctions will be imposed. We'll have military insurgents committing guerilla attacks not only in Ukraine, but in Russia itself. All Ukrainian infrastructure will be destroyed in the first several weeks. Russia will get ruins and extra several million hungry mouths to feed. I really cannot understand how can you be so blind to not seeing that a civil war in Ukraine will be a disaster. This war should be avoided at all costs.

I had been thinking same way few days ago. But after Crimea... Man, I'm impressed! I think Russia can fulfil it's goals in Eastern Ukraine and end civil war quickly.
It seems to me, that Russia wants to gain control over eastern territories, and, which is more important, eastern territories can allow this to happen - people there are fed up with political and economical chaos and they see it's source in Kiev. So they can start separation process and civil war would make it faster and easier.

And about "peace-makers crimes". Do you remember 8.8.8? Russia invaded other country and vaporized it's military forces. Any trade sanctions? Any military insurgents?

I don't say it won't be a disaster. Civil war - is the worst thing that can happen to any country. All I say - it would make russian positions in eastern part of Ukraine much stronger, and now I'm sure - Russia would use it's chances.