Солнце уже не так ярко... (fill in the blanks)

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September 6th, 2005, 07:08 AM
Ilkay

Солнце уже не так ярко... (fill in the blanks)

I need your help in the following questions.

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Солнце уже не так ярко ____(1)____ с голубого неба, позже вставало и раньше ____(2)____; порывистый ветер ____(3)____ неизвестно откуда, качал ____(4)____ деревьев и быстро исчезал, ____(5)____ в воздухе холодевшую струю.

1. a)сияет b)блестит c)светило d)улыбалось e)горело

2. a)ложилось b)укладывалось c)спало d)падало e)катилось

3. a)подул b)кружил c)летел d)надул e)набегал

4. a)иглами b)вершинами c)листьями d)корнями e)корою

5. a)остудив b)подогрев c)отдав d)оставив e)взяв
September 6th, 2005, 07:45 AM
Indra

Really odd...
1 - answer "c" (светило)
2 - no right answer (садилось)
3 - may be "c", the absent word "налетал" is better
4 - b or c
5 - d
September 6th, 2005, 07:49 AM
Rostova

I'll try to answer
1. c) is right (but I like answer d also)
2. a)
3. e)
4. b)
5. d)
September 6th, 2005, 08:06 AM
Анатолий

Haven't checked other posters' answers but here's what I think is correct:

Солнце уже не так ярко светило с голубого неба, позже вставало и раньше ложилось; порывистый ветер подул неизвестно откуда, качал вершинами деревьев и быстро исчезал, оставив в воздухе холодевшую струю.
September 6th, 2005, 08:14 AM
kwatts59

eh, this is what I would have said.

1. c (the sun does not shine so brightly)
2. d (the sun falls earlier-but I would have chosen "садилось" if it was one of the answers)
3. a (the wind blew)
4. b (tree tops sway)
5. d (the wind leaves a cold stream in the air)
September 6th, 2005, 08:25 AM
Анатолий

Must be hard to choose for you, so many answers. Rostova and I are native speakers (I answered the same - I just checked), not sure about Indra. Also, I don't think the answer "none of the above" or "missing word" is a good answer here.

Indra, "качать вершинами" - OK, "качать листьями", doesn't sound that well.
September 6th, 2005, 08:54 AM
kwatts59

So it is natural to say
Солнце раньше ложилось
The sun laid down earlier
September 6th, 2005, 08:55 AM
pranki

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Originally Posted by Анатолий

Haven't checked other posters' answers but here's what I think is correct:

Солнце уже не так ярко светило с голубого неба, позже вставало и раньше ложилось; порывистый ветер подул неизвестно откуда, качал вершинами деревьев и быстро исчезал, оставив в воздухе холодевшую струю.

All right except for "подул". You can't put "подул" here because "качал" and "исчезал" have imperfective aspect, and "подул" has perfective aspect. Therefore, "набегал" is only right variant of the given ones.
September 6th, 2005, 09:50 AM
Ilkay

According to the textbook from which I took this exercise, the correct version should be like this:

- Солнце уже не так ярко светило с голубого неба, позже вставало и раньше ложилось; порывистый ветер набегал неизвестно откуда, качал вершинами деревьев и быстро исчезал, оставив в воздухе холодевшую струю.

So, Rostova and Pranki, Congratulations! :lol:

I found especially (3) and (4) difficult. Can someone explain to me why вершинами is the correct answer instead of листьями in (4).
September 6th, 2005, 10:14 AM
pranki

I think so.
"Качать" means to make something do oscillatory movement. Leaves do random movement (not oscillatory) under the influence of wind. So "качать листьями" sounds at least weird.
September 6th, 2005, 10:22 AM
JJ

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Originally Posted by Ilkay

According to the textbook from which I took this exercise, the correct version should be like this:
... позже вставало и раньше ложилось...

The sun can "вставать" but it cannot "ложиться", the sun can "садиться". Don't trust to textbooks too much.
September 6th, 2005, 10:28 AM
pranki

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Originally Posted by JJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilkay

According to the textbook from which I took this exercise, the correct version should be like this:
... позже вставало и раньше ложилось...

The sun can "вставать" but it cannot "ложиться", the sun can "садиться". Don't trust to textbooks too much.

I think, it's all right. Just poetic language.
September 6th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Rostova

"Солнце ложилось уже в степь. Снопы ярко-розовых лучей, скользнув по гребню крутоярья на той стороне, золотили крыши домов городка..." Б. Полевой "Повесть о настоящем человеке"
For me it sounds right especially with a word "вставало" near it
September 6th, 2005, 11:35 AM
adoc

You know what? This is nuts. Time to change the textbook. Writers bend the language the way they want, it's their job, but the textbooks should not be ambiguous.
September 6th, 2005, 11:45 AM
Анатолий

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilkay

According to the textbook from which I took this exercise, the correct version should be like this:
... позже вставало и раньше ложилось...

The sun can "вставать" but it cannot "ложиться", the sun can "садиться". Don't trust to textbooks too much.

:o :o :o

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Originally Posted by adoc

You know what? This is nuts. Time to change the textbook. Writers bend the language the way they want, it's their job, but the textbooks should not be ambiguous.

It's just shows how multifaceted Russian language is. The exercise is OK but not only for advanced users with some imagination and knowledge of literature. Some words/expressions sound unnatural to some native speakers if they never heard/read them.
September 6th, 2005, 11:54 AM
adoc

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Originally Posted by Анатолий

It's just shows how multifaceted Russian language is. The exercise is OK but not only for advanced users with some imagination and knowledge of literature. Some words/expressions sound unnatural to some native speakers if they never heard/read them.

Excuse me but with foreign languages it's either imagination or knowledge. This is not the way to teach anything.
September 6th, 2005, 05:09 PM
laxxy

Re: Солнце уже не так ярко... (fill in the blanks)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilkay

I need your help in the following questions.

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Солнце уже не так ярко ____(1)____ с голубого неба, позже вставало и раньше ____(2)____; порывистый ветер ____(3)____ неизвестно откуда, качал ____(4)____ деревьев и быстро исчезал, ____(5)____ в воздухе холодевшую струю.

1. a)сияет b)блестит c)светило d)улыбалось e)горело

2. a)ложилось b)укладывалось c)спало d)падало e)катилось

3. a)подул b)кружил c)летел d)надул e)набегал

4. a)иглами b)вершинами c)листьями d)корнями e)корою

5. a)остудив b)подогрев c)отдав d)оставив e)взяв

1. c (or d)
2. a
3. e
4. b
5. d

imho the choice between perfect and imperfect verbs is the key here.
September 6th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Анатолий

Quote:

Originally Posted by adoc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Анатолий

It's just shows how multifaceted Russian language is. The exercise is OK but not only for advanced users with some imagination and knowledge of literature. Some words/expressions sound unnatural to some native speakers if they never heard/read them.

Excuse me but with foreign languages it's either imagination or knowledge. This is not the way to teach anything.

Not that rigid in my opinion. In the above examples: Солнце садится - is the reply of the knowledgeable person. Солнце ложится can be used too because it's more poetic but what skills do you need to be poetic? Imagination, I guess. Of course, if someone, already said this and you have heard it, it's knowledge, not imagination.
September 6th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Vesh

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Originally Posted by Анатолий

Indra, "качать вершинами" - OK, "качать листьями", doesn't sound that well.

"Kачать вершинами" is not OK either.
September 6th, 2005, 10:37 PM
Анатолий

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Originally Posted by Vesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Анатолий

Indra, "качать вершинами" - OK, "качать листьями", doesn't sound that well.

"Kачать вершинами" is not OK either.

But it is OK for me, "Kачать вершинами деревьев". What did you choose? "качать листьями"?
September 6th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Vesh

[quote=Анатолий]

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Originally Posted by Vesh

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Originally Posted by "Анатолий":21652zhj

Indra, "качать вершинами" - OK, "качать листьями", doesn't sound that well.

"Kачать вершинами" is not OK either.

But it is OK for me, "Kачать вершинами деревьев". What did you choose? "качать листьями"?[/quote:21652zhj]
"Играть вершинами деревьев" is OK. But "качать вершины деревьев" is not. Well, on a second thought "качать" doesn't sound right with "вершины деревьев" at all. "Раскачивать вершины деревьев". No right answer. IMHO.
September 6th, 2005, 10:50 PM
Анатолий

[quote=Vesh][quote=Анатолий][quote=Vesh][quote="Анатолий":2btwmpys]Indra, "качать вершинами" - OK, "качать листьями", doesn't sound that well.[/quote]
"Kачать вершинами" is not OK either.[/quote]
But it is OK for me, "Kачать вершинами деревьев". What did you choose? "качать листьями"?[/quote]
"Играть вершинами деревьев" is OK. But "качать вершины деревьев" is not. Well, on a second thought "качать" doesn't sound right with "вершины деревьев" at all. "Раскачивать вершины деревьев". No right answer. IMHO.[/quote:2btwmpys]

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Некоторое время вспышек не было, и шум в Храме стал постепенно затихать, сходя на нет, - так умолкает лес, переставая качать вершинами, когда ветер уносится вдаль.
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Соленый бриз качал вершины сосен.

Стволы скрипели, – так низкоголосен

Бывает зимний сдержанный прибой.

Закат янтарный заполнял собой

Лесные соты. И, посеребренны,

В траве нарциссов бледные короны

Светились нежно. Внемля пенью птиц,

Восторга полон, я готов был ниц

Упасть перед мгновением свободы,

Перед покоем, что лесные своды

Душе истосковавшейся сулят.

ОЛЬГА КОЛЬЦОВА
Перевод с английского
РАВЕННА
September 6th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Vesh

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Originally Posted by Анатолий

Некоторое время вспышек не было, и шум в Храме стал постепенно затихать, сходя на нет, - так умолкает лес, переставая качать вершинами, когда ветер уносится вдаль.
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В этом примере лес качает вершинами (своими, т.е., частью себя), не ветер.

"Я качаю головой". Творительный падеж.
"Я качаю ребёнка". Винительный падеж.
September 6th, 2005, 11:03 PM
Vesh

[quote=Vesh]

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Originally Posted by Анатолий

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Originally Posted by Vesh

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Originally Posted by "Анатолий":1rnt1f8v

Indra, "качать вершинами" - OK, "качать листьями", doesn't sound that well.

"Kачать вершинами" is not OK either.

But it is OK for me, "Kачать вершинами деревьев". What did you choose? "качать листьями"?

"Играть вершинами деревьев" is OK. But "качать вершины деревьев" is not. Well, on a second thought "качать" doesn't sound right with "вершины деревьев" at all. "Раскачивать вершины деревьев". No right answer. IMHO.[/quote:1rnt1f8v]
Ups, typo. I meant "качать вершинами деревьев" here.
September 7th, 2005, 02:55 AM
adoc

I personally don't have a problem with "Kачать вершинами деревьев". However, I have a huge problem with "Солнце ложится". I am able to generously forgive a poet for this odd little expression, they are not normal people anyway. On the other hand, if a foreigner says it, that would sound completely out of place. And if we are talking poetic rather than conventional, then there you go, the whole shebang:

1. c) d) e)
2. a) b)
3. a) c) e)
4. a) b) c)

Tell me my imagination has limits :D .
September 7th, 2005, 04:23 AM
Анатолий

Quote:

Originally Posted by adoc

I personally don't have a problem with "Kачать вершинами деревьев". However, I have a huge problem with "Солнце ложится". I am able to generously forgive a poet for this odd little expression, they are not normal people anyway. On the other hand, if a foreigner says it, that would sound completely out of place. And if we are talking poetic rather than conventional, then there you go, the whole shebang:

1. c) d) e)
2. a) b)
3. a) c) e)
4. a) b) c)

Tell me my imagination has limits :D .

"Солнце ложится" - see quotes from literature in some posts above. No problem for me at all, more common is "солнце садится", though.