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    На что и клад, когда дети идут в лад и другие выражения

    Hello,

    I wanted to make a tread to better understand some expressions.

    Children are poor men's riches. Everyone understands. For instance a poor mine worker with a beautiful daughter or very smart boy, sorry for the cliche
    In russian I don't.

    На что и клад, когда дети идут в лад.

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    Children are poor men's riches. - i think in Russia this is understood as follows: Poor people have nothing to rely on but their children (in material sense), hence extended families in the past (and hence children become 'riches' or poor man).

    На что и клад, когда дети идут в лад? - (i suggest that question mark should be at the end, as it is a RHETORICAL question) Modern language translation: There is no need to have a treasure (i.e. material riches) if your children are very well and successful.
    So the meaning is that wellness of one's progeny is valued more than material riches.


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    Nice explanation. thank you!

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    Here is another one

    чему быть, того не миновать


    I don't get it how it means "What must be, must be." / What can't be cured, must be endured

    I would have said : Что должно быть, будет!

    I don't understand why Dative for Чему

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    Dative is required by быть in this structure. (i.e. быть + noun(pronoun) )

    Ex. Быть войне (dative) - The war is pending, The war is to happen.
    Быть засухе - The drought is to happen (is expected).

    But this structure sounds a bit old-fashioned.
    The modern way of saying is Будет война - The war will happen. Будет засуха - There will be a drought.

    In terms of cases any pronoun is similar to a noun. Hence чему requires Dative as any noun would in this structure.
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