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    Во спортивном комплексе

    A young man is talking with the director of the center and after knowing the different услуги ask him:
    Young man: У вас можно использовать [b]сов

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    I have a distinct suspiction that that mysterious [b]сов
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    Ramil's guess is great. I think the entire sentence should be so then:
    У вас можно _пользоваться велосипедами?
    Because "использовать" requires an accusative: использовать велосипеды. But your variant sounds much more closer to велосипедами.

    В_ спортивном комплексе
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Tks and в / во

    Thanks. As for в / во, admitting that Grammar just tries to put into a book what million people talk and so, what matters is what people says, I see that во is used "before words beginning with two consonants: во дворе, во сне, во взгляде". So, how can I understand "в спортивном..."?. By the way, I hear it now very clearly so pronounced by the speaker: в c.... The omission of "o" has a wider use before "words beginning ..." or is reduced just to this word?. Thanks again.

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    во is used "before words beginning with two consonants
    Well, this rule just doesn't work always... I really don't know why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    во is used "before words beginning with two consonants
    Well, this rule just doesn't work always... I really don't know why.
    Neither do I. Sometimes you use different forms of в/во even before the same consonant combos. "Я видел его во плоти", но "Я увидел дыру в плотине". "Во сне", но "В снегу". "Во дворе" и "во дворце", но "в дверях". Actually, in most cases you use "в" even before two or three consonants. The only hard and fast rule I can think of is that you ALWAYS use "во" if the following word begins with "в" or "ф" immediately followed by another consonant: "Во взгляде, во Флориде, во времени, во Франции". Phrases like "во сне" и "во дворе" are very common, and I think that use of "во" in them is traditional rather than due to that two-consonant "rule."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    во is used "before words beginning with two consonants
    Well, this rule just doesn't work always... I really don't know why.
    Почему, в древности так бы и сказали:
    Во славном это было зале во спортивном...
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    I agree, using 'во' "before words beginning with two consonants" is not a strict rile. There are hundreds of examples against it: в шкафу, в груди, в кресле, в правилах, в кровати, в словах, в клетке, в бреду, в драке, в строгости, etc.

    So that probably means only that you can't use "во" before words beginning with one consonant or a vowel, nothing more.

    PS. Sometimes "во" can be used in these phrases too, but it makes them sound intensely pompous or outdated, like you're an ancient merchant or chronicler.

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    [quote="gRomoZeka"]I agree, using 'во' "before words beginning with two consonants" is not a strict rile. There are hundreds of examples against it: в шкафу, в груди, в кресле, в правилах, в кровати, в словах, в клетке, в бреду, в драке, в строгости, etc.
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    There must be ( somewhere ... ) a list of allowed consonant clusters, so that if "в**" cluster of 3 letters is allowed, it is allowed in any context, and there is no need of using "во" instead.
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