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    What's the difference between зайди́ and войди́?

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    These are verbs of motion in the imperative forms, yes?

    Note that they are both the prefixed perfective forms from the verb идти 'to go'. In situations like this, it helps to study prefixes and what they mean:

    в(о)- meaning enter (motion into)

    за -can represent the beginning of a repeated motion, a short visit to somebody or some place ("dropping in somewhere")

    I hope this helps you understand the verbs in the context you are pulling them out of.

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    Oh, I didn't know both are prefixes of the same word at all! So that does help me understand it better.

    So зайди́ is better for "зайди́ к туале́ту" whereas войди́ would do better in "войди́ к гостинице"...

    Yes, I think I got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valda View Post
    So зайди́ is better for "зайди́ к туале́ту" whereas войди́ would do better in "войди́ к гостинице"...

    Yes, I think I got it
    зайди в туалет
    войди в гостиницу

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    Войди в гостиницу. You are indicating motion into, so from my understanding, it'd make more sense to use accusative.

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    "Зайди" - we can cay - зайди за дерево, зайди за угол - to move behind some object.

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    Also, Солнце can зайти only.
    Солнце зашло - mean, Sun moved down, lower then horizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dondublon View Post
    "Зайди" - we can cay - зайди за дерево, зайди за угол - to move behind some object.
    Does this not require the instrumental? I read somewhere that за meaning 'behind' takes instrumental. Maybe I am wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krwright View Post
    Does this not require the instrumental? I read somewhere that за meaning 'behind' takes instrumental. Maybe I am wrong?
    No, it uses accusative.

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    Some prepositions take more than one case, depending on circumstance. За uses instrumental when it describes a position, eg за дверью behind door etc. (вперёд, за, между, над, под take instrumental) Other times it takes accusative, спасибо за помощь is accusative. "Что это за пьяные выходки?" accusative from movie "Иван Васильевич..."

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    "Что это за пьяные выходки?" accusative from movie "Иван Васильевич..."
    It's nominative.

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    Oh! I see, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krwright View Post
    Does this not require the instrumental? I read somewhere that за meaning 'behind' takes instrumental. Maybe I am wrong?
    I don't understand exactly, but this phrases doesn't require anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krwright View Post
    Does this not require the instrumental? I read somewhere that за meaning 'behind' takes instrumental. Maybe I am wrong?
    Consider this a difference the same as between "in" and "into", "at" and "to". Just like "на" and "в" require Prepositional for expressing a location and Accusative for describing a detination of movement, "за" takes a noun in Accusative when you are describing motion with a goal to get behind something. When you are simply telling the position behind some object, it takes Instrumental. Even when the position is not itself static Eg. "За мной!" which can be used as "follow me" or "иди за мной"... doesn't matter much when used as a command).

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    it-ogo and Valda like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxc View Post
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    Not perfect but nice. Still I don't understand what is lower пере-.
    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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    Quote Originally Posted by it-ogo View Post
    Not perfect but nice. Still I don't understand what is lower пере-.
    I think it's differentiating between moving across something and moving from one place to the other. I guess that's sort of the same thing, but it's the difference between:

    Я перешел дорогу.
    and
    я переехал из России в США.

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    Ah, I got it. The smaller cube is another place.
    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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    left bottom corner - wrong stress
    пешкОм not пЕшком

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shady_arc View Post
    Consider this a difference the same as between "in" and "into", "at" and "to". Just like "на" and "в" require Prepositional for expressing a location and Accusative for describing a detination of movement, "за" takes a noun in Accusative when you are describing motion with a goal to get behind something. When you are simply telling the position behind some object, it takes Instrumental. Even when the position is not itself static Eg. "За мной!" which can be used as "follow me" or "иди за мной"... doesn't matter much when used as a command).
    This was the clarification I was looking for. Спасибо большое!

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