Transitive/Intransitive - to learn/study
I had a discussion with a Russian friend about the verbs учиться and учить, and he explained that the first was intransitive and the second transitive. For учиться he gave the examples Учиться в школе and Учиться петь. But if it's intransitive, how come you still learn something, i.e. "learn how to sing". Isn't that transitive all of a sudden?
Can someone explain all that stuff with the different verbs for "to study" etc? I don't really get the difference.
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Originally Posted by tricoteuse
I had a discussion with a Russian friend about the verbs учиться and учить, and he explained that the first was intransitive and the second transitive. For учиться he gave the examples Учиться в школе and Учиться петь. But if it's intransitive, how come you still learn something, i.e. "learn how to sing". Isn't that transitive all of a sudden?
Can someone explain all that stuff with the different verbs for "to study" etc? I don't really get the difference.
Transitive verb requires a substantive in accusative case. In "Учиться петь" there is not a substantive.
"Учиться" = to be taught (by somebody or by oneself)
Я хочу учиться музыке (not an accusative case!). Он учится читать. Они учатся в школе.
"Учить" = 1) to study something 2) to teach somebody.
1) Я учу английский язык. Она учит биологию.
2) Папа учит меня кататься на велосипеде. Педагог учит детей.
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Originally Posted by Оля
Transitive verb requires a substantive in accusative case. In "Учиться петь" there is not a substantive.
Exaaactly what I needed to know, now I understand completely. Thank you :)
Re: Transitive/Intransitive - to learn/study
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Originally Posted by tricoteuse
I had a discussion with a Russian friend about the verbs учиться and учить, and he explained that the first was intransitive and the second transitive. For учиться he gave the examples Учиться в школе and Учиться петь. But if it's intransitive, how come you still learn something, i.e. "learn how to sing". Isn't that transitive all of a sudden?
Can someone explain all that stuff with the different verbs for "to study" etc? I don't really get the difference.
the suffixes "-ся" and "-сь" usually give the meaning "to oneself". And verbs with these suffixes are intransitive, as they do not take any direct object
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Originally Posted by Оля
Я хочу учиться музыке (not an accusative case!).
Dative?
она учится биологии?
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Originally Posted by paasikivi
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Originally Posted by Оля
Я хочу учиться музыке (not an accusative case!).
Dative?
она учится биологии?
В принципе да. Грамматически это правильно.
Но только учиться биологии нельзя, лучше учить_ биологию (acc.).
Учиться музыке (dat.) значит, что человек приобретает умение играть на каком-то инструменте, нажимать на клавиши, петь и т.д., то есть он будет уметь что-то ДЕЛАТЬ (руками, голосом).
А учить биологию (acc.) значит - просто ЗНАТЬ много всего про биологию.
Например, еще можно сказать "учиться ремеслу", "учиться вождению (автомобиля)".