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    Possessives and REFLEXIVE possessives

    Zdrastvootye (I don't have a Russian keyboard, or Russian fonts...and pressing a key combo doesn't bring up any Russian letters either )

    I'm having major problems understanding when to use a normal possessive and a reflexive. Da, ya znayoo what they MEAN (svoy etc means someone's OWN), however, I know the meaning can vary depending on the context of the sentence. Neither of my books explain this in much detail, and they only give one example each.

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    Oki, here is a cursory overview:

    Usually one uses reflexive possesive pronouns when the person posessing the object agrees with the subject of the sentence. Clarity through examples:

    Я пью свое пиво = I am drinking my beer
    Я пью его пиво = I am drinking his beer
    Я пью мое пиво = Hurts Russian brain

    Он пит свое пиво = He is drinking his (own) beer
    Он пит мое пиво = He is drinking my beer
    Он пит его пиво = He is drinking his beer (where his could be someone else)

    Мы пьём свое пиво = We are drinking our beer
    Мы пьём мое пиво = We are drinking my beer
    Мы пьём их пивo = We are drinking their beer

    Make sense now?
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    Of course those links have better explanations, but do they have alcoholic examples? I think not!
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    sort of....

    Ya nye paneemayoo "yego", "yeyo" ee "eex". Moye, tvoye, nash ee vash are completely clear, though.

    For example:

    "yego dyetee gavaryit po-rooskee". Pacheemoo "yego"? Are the children not his own? I'm seriously confused here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Of course those links have better explanations, but do they have alcoholic examples? I think not!
    Why just stop at peevo? Why not incorporate vodka also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    sort of....

    Ya nye paneemayoo "yego", "yeyo" ee "eex". Moye, tvoye, nash ee vash are completely clear, though.

    For example:

    "yego dyetee gavaryit po-rooskee". Pacheemoo "yego"? Are the children not his own? I'm seriously confused here!
    Hmm.. Его дети говорят по-русски -> His children speak Russian. Notice that the subject is His children. So the children are his, no one else's.

    Compare:
    Это Владимир. Его дети пьют водку. = This is Vladimir. his children drink vodka. Extremely clear whoes children it is!

    Это Саша и Дима. Его дети пьют водку. = This is Sasha and Dima. His children drink vodka. What? Whoes? Unclear!

    Это Владимир. Свои дети пьют водку. = Impossible. You can not have свои unless it has a corrseponding personal pronoun in the sentence!

    Владимиа знает, что свои дети пьют водку = Vladimir knows that his children drink vodka. This works!

    Clearer??
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    sort of....

    Ya nye paneemayoo "yego", "yeyo" ee "eex". Moye, tvoye, nash ee vash are completely clear, though.

    For example:

    "yego dyetee gavaryit po-rooskee". Pacheemoo "yego"? Are the children not his own? I'm seriously confused here!
    Hmm.. Его дети говорят по-русски -> His children speak Russian. Notice that the subject is His children. So the children are his, no one else's.

    Compare:
    Это Владимир. Его дети пьют водку. = This is Vladimir. his children drink vodka. Extremely clear whoes children it is!

    Это Саша и Дима. Его дети пьют водку. = This is Sasha and Dima. His children drink vodka. What? Whoes? Unclear!

    Это Владимир. Свои дети пьют водку. = Impossible. You can not have свои unless it has a corrseponding personal pronoun in the sentence!

    Владимиа знает, что свои дети пьют водку = Vladimir knows that his children drink vodka. This works!

    Clearer??

    Ahhhh, ya doomayoo, da
    Ee spaseeba for incorporating vodka takje!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    Ahhhh, ya doomayoo, da
    Ee spaseeba for incorporating vodka takje!
    Да пожааалуйста!

    Следующий раз, просто задавайте вопрос и выбирайте напитку.
    Hei, rett norsken min og du er død.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    Ahhhh, ya doomayoo, da
    Ee spaseeba for incorporating vodka takje!
    Да пожааалуйста!

    Следующий раз, просто задавайте вопрос и выбирайте напитку.
    xaxaxaxa!!! So far I only have a choice of peevo, vodka o absinthe...I have no knowledge of rooski bevereges...hey maybe there's a drinks forum in this huge site somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Это Саша и Дима. Его дети пьют водку. = This is Sasha and Dima. His children drink vodka. What? Whoes? Unclear!
    Владимиа знает, что свои дети пьют водку
    Это Саша и Дима. Его дети пьют водку. – Чьи? Саши или Димы? Если их обоих, то это кто? Гомосексуальная пара или Саша – женщина? В таком случае правильно будет. Это Саша и Дима. Их дети пьют водку.
    Идем дальше. Владимиа знает, что свои дети пьют водку = Vladimir knows that his children drink vodka. This works! Хрен это, а не works. Владимир знает, что его дети пьют водку. I pity you. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DagothWarez
    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Это Саша и Дима. Его дети пьют водку. = This is Sasha and Dima. His children drink vodka. What? Whoes? Unclear!
    Владимиа знает, что свои дети пьют водку
    Это Саша и Дима. Его дети пьют водку. – Чьи? Саши или Димы? Если их обоих, то это кто? Гомосексуальная пара или Саша – женщина? В таком случае правильно будет. Это Саша и Дима. Их дети пьют водку.
    Вот именно! Вот что, я хотел показать! Не ясно чьи, вот почему английское слово "unclear!"

    Quote Originally Posted by DagothWarez
    Идем дальше. Владимиа знает, что свои дети пьют водку = Vladimir knows that his children drink vodka. This works! Хрен это, а не works. Владимир знает, что его дети пьют водку. I pity you. :P
    Замолчите!

    Ani, this doesn't work because it is actually two bisentences:

    The correct version is: Владимир знает, что его дети пьют водку
    but: Владимир знает своих детей = Vladimir knows his children.
    Hei, rett norsken min og du er død.
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    Re: Possessives and REFLEXIVE possessives

    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    I don't have a Russian keyboard
    Why not just take something that could inscribe on plastic and make Russian keyboard for yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    or Russian fonts...and pressing a key combo doesn't bring up any Russian letters either )
    Standard Windows has Russian fonts. Start – Setting – Control Panel – Regional and Language Options – Languages – Details – Add… or ask adults

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Вот именно! Вот что, я хотел показать! Не ясно чьи, вот почему английское слово "unclear!"
    I’m afraid I just read the first part “Это Саша и Дима. Его дети пьют водку. = This is Sasha and Dima. His children drink vodka.” And rushed to scientific debate. I pity myself.

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    Re: Possessives and REFLEXIVE possessives

    Quote Originally Posted by DagothWarez
    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    I don't have a Russian keyboard
    Why not just take something that could inscribe on plastic and make Russian keyboard for yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    or Russian fonts...and pressing a key combo doesn't bring up any Russian letters either )
    Standard Windows has Russian fonts. Start – Setting – Control Panel – Regional and Language Options – Languages – Details – Add… or ask adults
    Smartass

    That method ochen tedious

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    Re: Possessives and REFLEXIVE possessives

    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    That method ochen tedious
    What? To write something like 30 letter? Maybe there is any way to purchase Russian keyboard. I believe it’s 5-20$ in Russia.
    Без труда не вытащишь bloody рыбку из пруда.

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    Re: Possessives and REFLEXIVE possessives

    Quote Originally Posted by Ani
    I don't have a Russian keyboard, or Russian fonts...
    I think I found a very useful link for you http://www.apronus.com/internet/ruskey.htm

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