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    Negative Terms

    I feel as though my Russian is regressing...

    Can someone help me sort out the "negative" words in Russian grammar? There's нет, не, и ни. I think не is used only to negate verbs -- and verbs are only negated by не. E.G. Он не прочитал книгу. And I always thought нет was the equivalent for nouns -- У нас нет собаки. But then how does ни figure into all of this?
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    ни is used in many different ways. It is used as the engilsh equivalent of 'nor'.

    Я не видел ни книгу ни студента - I didn't see the book nor the student

    It is also used as part of the following words when used as a double negative - anywhere, anything, anyone, never*

    Я не иду никуда - I am not going anywhere
    Я не пою романсы никогда - I never sing romances
    я ничего не вижу - I don't see anything
    Я никого не убил! - I didn't kill anyone!

    One important rule: If you use не and to have an additional negative, always use ни. You can never use ни alone.

    Error: Я никогда читал эту книгу
    Error: Я ничего делал вчера

    You will have to use the не-

    Делать нечего - There is nothing one can do
    Я иду некуда - I am going nowhere

    I have a feeling I am confusing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    You will have to use the не-

    Делать нечго - There is nothing one can do
    Я иду некуда - I am going nowhere
    я иду нИкуда
    but идти нЕкуда = nowhere to go

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    нечго should be нечЕго. I think it was just a typo

    I don't seen anything
    :P
    How about taking 'n' out?
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    ни....ни -- neither....nor
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    An example using нет...
    У меня нет книг. - I don't have any books.

    Ни is also used when we have questions words with -ever suffixed on the end (whatever, whenever etc.)
    Что бы он ни делал, он всегда пахнет плохо. - Whatever he does, he always smells bad.
    Я знаю
    Что делаю
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReDSanchous
    нечго should be нечЕго. I think it was just a typo

    I don't seen anything
    :P
    How about taking 'n' out?
    I had forgotten to make my daily sacrifice to the Goddess of Typos.
    Hei, rett norsken min og du er død.
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    Quote Originally Posted by net surfer
    я иду нИкуда
    Так не говорят. Говорят: "Я никуда не иду".

    Never use no double negatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Quote Originally Posted by ReDSanchous
    нечго should be нечЕго. I think it was just a typo

    I don't seen anything
    :P
    How about taking 'n' out?
    I had forgotten to make my daily sacrifice to the Goddess of Typos.

    Oh, if only I had have known!
    English Edition

    В обычных странах церковь отделена от государства, а в России - от Бога.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Quote Originally Posted by ReDSanchous
    нечго should be нечЕго. I think it was just a typo

    I don't seen anything
    :P
    How about taking 'n' out?
    I had forgotten to make my daily sacrifice to the Goddess of Typos.
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    Re: Negative Terms

    Quote Originally Posted by Barmaley
    I feel as though my Russian is regressing...
    Can someone help me sort out the "negative" words in Russian grammar? There's нет, не, и ни. I think не is used only to negate verbs -- and verbs are only negated by не. E.G. Он не прочитал книгу. And I always thought нет was the equivalent for nouns -- У нас нет собаки. But then how does ни figure into all of this?
    This could help you: http://www.alphadictionary.com/rusgrammar/negative.html
    If you have more questions, please, do not hesitate to ask.
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    Thank you all for you reponses; they were all helpful, especially the the website that Lampada provided.

    I have a few follow-up questions:

    1. Are ничто and ничего virtually interchangeable?
    2. Is the difference between ни (e.g. никто -- nobody) and не (e.g. некто -- noone) roughly the same concept as the difference between -то (somebody) and -нибудь (anybody)? If so, where does -либо fit in?
    3. On one of the examples, the supposed correct answer was:
    Она сегодня не надевала никакой кофты. I said it was никакие. Why am I wrong -- кофты is plural right?

    Thanks again.
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    I'll attempt to answer the above

    1) I believe ничто and ничего are interchangeable, although the latter is much more common
    2) No idea.
    3) Кофта isn't plural in this case, but rather genative singular. Надевать requires genetive.
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    IMHO

    I have nobody to talk to.
    Мне некто говорить.

    Nobody is talking to me.
    Никто не говорит мне.

    Note: In the second sentence there is a double negative.

    Edit: I think my very first sentence is not correct.
    Anyway, here are some more examples taken from my textbook.

    Мне негде жить.
    I have nowhere to live.

    Мне некогда читать.
    I have no time to read.

    Мне некуда идти.
    I have no place to go.
    Какая разница, умереть богатым или бедным?

    Какой толк от богатства если ты не счастлив.

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    I have nobody to talk to.
    Мне некто говорить.
    Почему "некто", а не "некому?"
    Можно сказать "мне некому говорить?"


    Кстати, как сказать "There's noone for me to talk with." Может быть, что-то похожее на это?

    мне некто с кем говорить.


    Извините меня за то, что я переключил обсуждение на другую тему.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basurero
    I have nobody to talk to.
    Мне некто говорить.
    Почему "некто", а не "некому?"
    Можно сказать "мне некому говорить?"


    Кстати, как сказать "There's noone for me to talk with." Может быть, что-то похожее на это?

    мне некто с кем говорить.


    Извините меня за то, что я переключил обсуждение на другую тему.
    "Мне некто говорить" is wrong. "Мне некому говорить" is better, but the best variant imho is "Мне не с кем говорить"
    My English isn't so good, зато с русским все в порядке ))
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    Некто is poetic for "someone". Никто is noone.

    There's noone for me to talk with." -- Мне не с кем поговорить.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pranki
    Quote Originally Posted by basurero
    I have nobody to talk to.
    Мне некто говорить.
    Почему "некто", а не "некому?"
    Можно сказать "мне некому говорить?"
    "Мне некто говорить" is wrong. "Мне некому говорить" is better, but the best variant imho is "Мне не с кем говорить"
    Мне некому [это] говорить - I have nobody to tell this to.
    Hei, rett norsken min og du er død.
    I am a notourriouse misspeller. Be easy on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Quote Originally Posted by pranki
    Quote Originally Posted by basurero
    I have nobody to talk to.
    Мне некто говорить.
    Почему "некто", а не "некому?"
    Можно сказать "мне некому говорить?"
    "Мне некто говорить" is wrong. "Мне некому говорить" is better, but the best variant imho is "Мне не с кем говорить"
    Мне некому [это] говорить - I have nobody to tell this to.
    Мне некому это сказать. Or Мне не с кем об этом поговорить.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesh
    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Мне некому [это] говорить - I have nobody to tell this to.
    Мне некому это сказать. Or Мне не с кем об этом поговорить.
    What about:
    - Не говори об этом никому.
    - Не буду, да мне и некому об этом говорить.

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