Medical terms

Hey Y'all,
As a medical professional, I'm curious about medical terminology in Russian.

In English, most medical terms are derived from Latin words. I'm thinking, since Latin is the foundation for many languages used today, maybe there are similarities between Russian and English in medical terminology. This may also apply to scientific terms used to classify genus/species etc..

I have found some examples from English to Russian.

Bones of the human body:
femur=бедро
tibia=голени
patella=чашка
radius=радиус
scapula=лопаточной кости
clavicle=ключищы
occipital=затылочной
parietal=теменной

OK, well. None of these sound similar except for радиус. So much for that idea :oops:

What about a word like this "cholecystopancreatitis"? (inflammation of the gallbladder and pancreas)
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Originally Posted by flyfisher

In English, most medical terms are derived from Latin words. I'm thinking, since Latin is the foundation for many languages used today, maybe there are similarities between Russian and English in medical terminology. . . . What about a word like this "cholecystopancreatitis"? (inflammation of the gallbladder and pancreas)
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In this case the Russian word sounds much like the English word (although not identical) and probably comes from the same sources:

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Холецистопанкреатит (cholecystopancreatitis; холецисто- + греч. pankreas, pankreatos поджелудочная железа + -ит) — сочетанное воспаление желчного пузыря и поджелудочной железы.

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http://medarticle.moslek.ru/articles/45078.htm

Ken,
That is awesome! I did not expect this result. Let me try to pronounce
ХОЛЕЦИСТОПАНКРЕАТИТ. --kholyet'sisto'PANkreateet-- my best guess. Right? Wrong?
Спасибо
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Originally Posted by flyfisher

Let me try to pronounce
ХОЛЕЦИСТОПАНКРЕАТИТ. --kholyet'sisto'PANkreateet-- my best guess. Right? Wrong?

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Hello flyfisher, I think you are close, but I think we should hear from a Russian. In the meantime you can listen to a pronunciation here: http://translation.imtranslator.net/ (You type or paste the word in, then press translate. In this case it won't give you a translation but it will display speakers. You can press one of these and it will take you to another window where the word is spoken by a female computer voice. The end sounds more like "it" or maybe the "ИТ" is just soft. I don't know if this is correct pronunciation.)

femur=бедро
tibia=большая берцовая кость
patella=коленная чашечка
radius=лучевая кость
scapula=лопатка
clavicle=ключица
occipital=затылочный
parietal=теменной

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Originally Posted by flyfisher

Hey Y'all,
radius=радиус
OK, well. None of these sound similar except for радиус. So much for that idea :oops:
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radius="лучевая кость" в анатомии, "радиус" - в математике.

I see your point. In English, one word means two different things (that happens a lot with English).
Radial bone and, center of circle to edge-both "radius".
Thank you for pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by flyfisher

Я вижу вашу точку.

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Never say like that!! :lol:
I see your point = "Я (вас / тебя) понял", "я понял твою / вашу мысль", "я понял, что вы хотите сказать" (depending on context).

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В английском языке, два же написание, и произношением.
Радиальные кость и вылет по математике говорят, и это же самое.

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Could you please write the same in English? Your sentences are not clear.

I think, flyfisher means that in English they use the same word both in math and anatomy. Online translator, of course, turned it into complete gibberish. ;)

There are still plenty of the same or similar words in medicine, anatomy, biology etc. (especially medical terms for deseases and drugs), because many terms in Russian are loan words from Latin and Greek, the same as in English. So you do have someting to begin with.

Here are a few examples:
biceps - бицепс
triceps - трицепс
artery - артерия
vein - вена
arteriosclerosis - артериосклероз
spasm - спазм
chromosome - хромосома
chromoscopy - хромоскопия
shunt - шунт
paralysis - паралич
paresis - парез
nerve - нерв
stool - стул
stupor - ступор
appendicitis - аппендицит
appendix - аппендикс
scoliosis - сколиоз
herpes - герпес

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Originally Posted by flyfisher

Hey Y'all,
As a medical professional, I'm curious about medical terminology in Russian.

In English, most medical terms are derived from Latin words. I'm thinking, since Latin is the foundation for many languages used today, maybe there are similarities between Russian and English in medical terminology. This may also apply to scientific terms used to classify genus/species etc..

I have found some examples from English to Russian.

Bones of the human body:
femur=бедро
tibia=голени
patella=чашка
radius=радиус
scapula=лопаточной кости
clavicle=ключищы
occipital=затылочной
parietal=теменной

OK, well. None of these sound similar except for радиус. So much for that idea :oops:

What about a word like this "cholecystopancreatitis"? (inflammation of the gallbladder and pancreas)
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Latin is not the foundation of English. English is a Germanic language. A layer of Latin words, via French, were introduced into English during its history. The Latin words were mostly of a higher register (comare "free", Germanic root, with "liberate", Latin root) and often related to science (e.g. medical words).

Only the Romance languages (French, Spanish, Italian, Catalan, Portuguese, Romanian) are derived from Latin.

Many medical words also come from Greek, anyway.

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Latin is not the foundation of English.

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I understand that English did not develop of Latin.
I was referring to the medical terminology English speakers use.

Olya,
I did not intend to offend.
gRomoZeka is absolutley correct on both points.
I must confess. I have been using Google's transliteration tool to post in Russian. Apparently, this tool is unreliable. I did not know. :oops:
For now I will post in English, until I know what the hell I am doing in Russian.
Please be patient with me people! I am novice. I am eager to learn, and hope everyone will help me.
With respect to all,
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Originally Posted by flyfisher

Olya,
I did not intend to offend.
gRomoZeka is absolutley correct on both points.
I must confess. I have been using Google's transliteration tool to post in Russian. Apparently, this tool is unreliable. I did not know. :oops:
For now I will post in English, until I know what the hell I am doing in Russian.
Please be patient with me people! I am novice. I am eager to learn, and hope everyone will help me.
With respect to all,
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Hey, flyfisher, don't worry; I am sure you did not offend anybody. And don't be reluctant to post in Russian. Both Оля and gRomoZeka are brilliant contributors to this forum, and from what I have seen they do not mind correcting imperfect Russian, especially if they can see that it is your own effort. Unless you are sure it would not hurt to also post the English version of what you want to say. It isn't that online translators are all bad. For example if you see some Russian text that you don't understand you can cut and paste it into one, for example: http://translation.imtranslator.net/ and can usually understand or figure out what was written when it was written correctly and without special words or slang. You can also check your Russian there and see a back translation. I am not saying this is the best way, but it is a way, especially when you don't have a lot of time. Of course you can look in a dictionary when the translator cannot translate.

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Originally Posted by Ken Watts

Hey, flyfisher, don't worry; I am sure you did not offend anybody. And don't be reluctant to post in Russian. [...]

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+1
flyfisher, MasterRussian is known for its heated arguments over some minor grammar points, but don't let it scare you away. You're certainly welcome here! :D
So don't be afraid of making mistakes or asking questions, that's how we learn the language. Also some remarks or corrections may seem unfriendly, but more often than not they are not ill-intentioned, especially when made by non-native English speaker. It's just a wrong wording in most cases.

Good luck with your studies. :wink:

Спосиба Ken,
I truely don't want to wind up being the idiot here. It seems that I have put myself upon that path. Thank you for your encouragement.
I continue to learn.
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Originally Posted by flyfisher

Спасибо, Ken

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flyfisher, I'm really sorry if my comment offended you; I did't intend that at all. :) I just corrected your mistake and gave some advice as is customary here on this forum, hoping to be helpful. And I'd very appreciate if you or someone else correct my English.

The correct is жёлчный или желчный пузырь?

желчный
желчь

We've been through it before, but again
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96...8B%D1%80%D1%8C

жёлчный is correct, but 90% will say желчный

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Originally Posted by maxmixiv

We've been through it before, but again

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Мой профессор по ангийскому языку он всегда говорил: для того чтобы выучить одно иностроное слово надо использовать, слышать и писать его почти 20 раз! Но для того чтобы выучить его через 5 раз надо обсудить о нем!

Он прав, конечно, но в случае с желчным пузырём лучше поступить как я: вырезать нафиг, и забыть вообще что это такое - желчный пузырь. Одним словом будет меньше.
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Несколько исправлений:
английскому
иностранное
выучить через 5 раз - выучить за 5 раз
обсудить его (accusative)
использовать, послушать, написать его [примерно] 20 раз