Thread: I don't make the rules - Я не делаю правил ?

Originally Posted by Anixx

Valda, are not you native to Kenya?

That's a bit strange thing to ask, I'd say.

Originally Posted by Lampada

That's a bit strange thing to ask, I'd say.

This is plain simple, just deductive method, popularized by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

As she lives in Israel, but works in a coastal toilet, she is not Jew. But she is also not Arabic because she speaks Hebrew. This means that she is most likely black. But as she is black but lives in Israel, this means she is Christian. Once she is Christian, her father was possibly from Kenya. As she learns Russian, that means she loves a Russian man. But if she had contact with him, he probably could teach her Russian and there would be no purpose to ask in the forum. So she possibly wants to find her lost love. Am I right?

Originally Posted by Anixx

This is plain simple, just deductive method, popularized by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

As she lives in Israel, but works in a coastal toilet, she is not Jew. But she is also not Arabic because she speaks Hebrew. This means that she is most likely black. But as she is black but lives in Israel, this means she is Christian. Once she is Christian, her father was possibly from Kenya. As she learns Russian, that means she loves a Russian man. But if she had contact with him, he probably could teach her Russian and there was no purpose to ask in the forum. So she possibly wants to find her lost love. Am I right?

What's the difference?

Originally Posted by Anixx

This is plain simple, just deductive method, popularized by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

As she lives in Israel, but works in a coastal toilet, she is not Jew. But she is also not Arabic because she speaks Hebrew. This means that she is most likely black. But as she is black but lives in Israel, this means she is Christian. Once she is Christian, her father was possibly from Kenya. As she learns Russian, that means she loves a Russian man. But if she had contact with him, he probably could teach her Russian and there would be no purpose to ask in the forum. So she possibly wants to find her lost love. Am I right?

Woah...couldn't be more off.

1) I didn't say I work in a coastal toilet, I said I work in the coast

2) I'm a paramedic, my first aid unit is located near the toilet in the coast I work.

3) I am American and my parents made Aleya (immigration) to Israel. I'm Jewish by roots (though I don't practice any religion). I was raised in Israel.

4) Yes, I do have a Russian lover (you did get that right ), Russian friends, and I ask them tons of quesitons as well, but sometimes it's fun to be be engaged in the forum...the grammatical explanations here are more accurate and it's fun to have back and forths with other people.

5) Do I look black!? Blacks mistake me for Russian :P
I'm whitish-moca

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I wouldn't like to get my answer too involved to the people who approach me, I often just say "I have nothing to do with it" to some Americans or Israelis who ask me. Which, according to google translate is "Я ничего не имею к этому никакого отношения"... is that right? It's just a bit rude when they ask me for shekel to pay for the toll guy (who is Ethiopian btw! Or Eritrean, I'm not sure. He can barely speak Hebrew).

The best reaction to the fact the toilet coast a shekel I heard from a Russian tourist once.

"One shekel?? One shekel to pee!? Hah, I go pee in ocean!"



Anyway, back to the question at hand!

I guess the most accurate translation would be


..."Правила не я придумываю"


придумываю is a nice word. Although there is also "устанавливаю"

I guess it's the difference between "I don't come up with the rules" and "I don't set the rules"... which is essentially the same thing.

Wouldn't it be better syntax-wise to say "я не придумываю правила"?... The sentence sounds more flowing to me this way.

Yes. Here "льгот нет" basically means that nobody including the needy, retired, schoolchildren etc., is allowed to pay less, say, 15 rubles. Take it or leave it.

I'm pretty sure they let those in for free.

It is in fact very cheap compared to Moscow.

Really? How much is it in Moscow?

Originally Posted by Valda

Really? How much is it in Moscow?

15-25 rubles. Although I know one state-owned toilet remaining from Soviet era where it is... 2 rubles. But it is very dirty there.

Originally Posted by Valda

The best reaction to the fact the toilet coast a shekel I heard from a Russian tourist once.

"One shekel?? One shekel to pee!? Hah, I go pee in ocean!"

I guess that tourist was quite drunk to take a sea for an ocean... Or was his intention to hold himself until he crosses the sea and gets to the Atlantic?

"One shekel?? One shekel to pee!? Hah, I go pee in ocean!"

Excellent idea, BTW!
You say: "Извините, у нас платный туалет." (pointing to ocean) "Но бесплатный вон рядом"

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Excellent idea, BTW!
You say: "Извините, у нас платный туалет." (pointing to ocean) "Но бесплатный вон рядом"

It reminds me Russian double act sketch show "Городок":

What does вон рядом mean?

вон is out or away
рядом is alongside


hmm...does it mean "away there"
?

Originally Posted by Valda

What does вон рядом mean?

вон is out or away
рядом is alongside


hmm...does it mean "away there"
?

рядом = nearby, not far
вон - just for decoration, makes speech more alive, and could be skipped

Originally Posted by Valda

What does вон рядом mean?

вон is out or away
рядом is alongside


hmm...does it mean "away there"
?

I think, the closest in meaning is probably "right", as in:

вон рядом => right nearby
вон там => right there
вон туда => right over there

Something like that.

Originally Posted by Valda

What does вон рядом mean?

there, nearby
hebrew: hine shama leyad

Originally Posted by Valda

Wouldn't it be better syntax-wise to say "я не придумываю правила"?... The sentence sounds more flowing to me this way.

я не устанавливаю правила - i don't set the rules
не я устанавливаю правила - it's not me who sets the rules

it's rather a matter of what part of the statement you wish to emphasize

Woah...couldn't be more off.

Oh, sorry then.

Согласно прейскуранту/согласно прайс-листу.

Принимаю! У меня часто пишется как слышется

Можно и такой вариант:

"Если вам не нравится, уезжайте в Россию или Америку!"

Valda! You are here? Do not take offense to the Russian humor.

What does вон рядом mean?
вон is out or away
рядом is alongside
hmm...does it mean "away there"

В таких случаях слово "вон" можно заменить на слово "там". Но при произношении этого слова, обычно показывают в сторону объекта рукой или взглядом. Когда говорят: "вон от сюда" тоже часто машут рукой.

Yea LXNDR but in the previous example they put "pravila" as the first word ... Look again

Originally Posted by Valda

Yea LXNDR but in the previous example they put "pravila" as the first word ... Look again

that would sound too formal and cold to my test, not exactly colloquial

Russian is quite liberal in the syntax so you practically can shuffle the words, almost any words order will make sense as long as the words are grammatically correct, what will differ is connotations

here's a good version

я правила не устанавливаю - pretty harsh, implying 'i don't set the rules, get it?'
of course right intonation can help to get the message across

Originally Posted by LXNDR

that would sound too formal and cold to my test, not exactly colloquial

Russian is quite liberal in the syntax so you practically can shuffle the words, almost any words order will make sense as long as the words are grammatically correct, what will differ is connotations

here's a good version

я правила не устанавливаю - pretty harsh, implying 'i don't set the rules, get it?'
of course right intonation can help to get the message across

Ahhh... as I thought... though I like the word придумываю also thanks