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    Grammar Rules

    Is there a grammatical rule for when Й is used instead of И?

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    Re: Grammar Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnT
    Is there a grammatical rule for when Й is used instead of И?
    This is quite a general question. It's more to do with spelling.

    И is a vowel, and Й is sort of a consonant. Technically it's not a vowel.

    И is like English feet whereas Й is like english boy, play, yes.

    Both letters are used in certain declensions. This is a hard question to answer. Both have their own uses.

    If you mean does И ever mutate into Й or vice versa, then yes.
    Most notably, with prefrixed forms of the verb идти (to go on foot).
    When the verb is prefixed the и changes to й and the д drops out.
    Thus По + итди = пойти - to set off
    До + идти = Дойти - to go up to
    При + идти = Прийти - to arrive
    Со + идти = Сойти - to go off
    Во + идти = Войти - to go in (enter)
    Вы + идти = Выйти - to go out (exit)

    But there isn't really a general rule. They are different letters used in different places.


    I (И) changes to Й more often in Ukrainian though.
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    Thanks for help. I was actually wondering if it was like in englich when the letter Q is always followed by the letter U. But it is obviously more complex the way it is used.

    I guess i will get used to it once i have learnt more!

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnT
    Thanks for help. I was actually wondering if it was like in englich when the letter Q is always followed by the letter U. But it is obviously more complex the way it is used.

    I guess i will get used to it once i have learnt more!

    John
    Despite looking the same, it's best to think of them as different letters.
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    There are spelling rules 8 , 5 and 7 letter rules, but they have to do with и and ы and е and о. a and ya

    http://www.pitt.edu/~slavic/sli/russian/1/spelling.html

    Here they are.

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    These arwen't to do with Й though.

    There are rules when И is used instead of Ы.
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    Beginner could easily have confused the two letters. Besides its a lot of help, as it is one of the most basic rules of spelling that he will have to learn.

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    One rule exists: Never use й after the letters ху
    Hei, rett norsken min og du er død.
    I am a notourriouse misspeller. Be easy on me.
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    And what about "застрахуйте" or "застрахуй"?
    "Застрахуйте вашу машину" for an instance.

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    How about здравствуй(те) ?

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    It does not contain "й" after "ху".
    I don't know any words which contain the combination mentioned above except the words derived from "страховать".

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    Сразу вспоминается анекдот (сорри если излагаю неточно):
    Звери в лесу встречают зайца, вернувшегося из Китая:
    - Привет, заяц!
    - Я не заяц, я зуй!
    - Почему это?
    - А у них в Китае всех так называют: вот ты, волк, будешь "вуй"; ты, лиса - "луй".
    Хорёк говорит: "Не, я в Китай не поеду!!!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
    Сразу вспоминается анекдот (сорри если излагаю неточно):
    Звери в лесу встречают зайца, вернувшегося из Китая:
    - Привет, заяц!
    - Я не заяц, я зуй!
    - Почему это?
    - А у них в Китае всех так называют: вот ты, волк, будешь "вуй"; ты, лиса - "луй".
    Хорёк говорит: "Не, я в Китай не поеду!!!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Старик
    How about здравствуй(те) ?
    Starik, stop proving the stereotype of Germans not having a sense of humour :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
    Хорёк говорит: "Не, я в Китай не поеду!!!".


    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
    And what about "застрахуйте" or "застрахуй"?
    I guess you fount the exception to proves the rule!
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    I think a question about й/и may be applied to such cases as
    настроение - настроенье
    падение - паденье
    because actually they are [-ие/-йе] after the last н. Many of these contractions belong to the spoken speech, while some of them are the norm now, like веселье, and веселие is an archaic word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
    I don't know any words which contain the combination mentioned above except the words derived from "страховать".
    "не психуй"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
    Сразу вспоминается анекдот (сорри если излагаю неточно):
    Звери в лесу встречают зайца, вернувшегося из Китая:
    - Привет, заяц!
    - Я не заяц, я зуй!
    - Почему это?
    - А у них в Китае всех так называют: вот ты, волк, будешь "вуй"; ты, лиса - "луй".
    Хорёк говорит: "Не, я в Китай не поеду!!!".
    I read a similar joke in English or even in French. Only there the main characters were three Chinese men who decided to go to America and Americanize their names: one became Buck, another became Chuck and the rest you can guess.
    "Happy new year, happy new year
    May we all have a vision now and then
    Of a world where every neighbour is a friend"

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