Thread: A few irregular verbs

Ok,
So I have gone to my fifth russian lesson with my private tutor (schedule won't allow for college courses), and she gave me several irregular verbs to memorize. Well, needless to say I was a bit lax in studying those particular verbs and they showed up in my bi monthly quiz!

Anyway, so...she gave me the infinitive, but she quickly passed over the explaination of how the verb changes and I don't know quite how to go about it.

So...if someone can help me with the conjugation that would be fantastic.

From what I understand these verbs gain an additional '-л-' in the conjugation. I'll give the verbs and then give it my best shot. Don't laugh too hard.

the verbs: Дремать, Колебать, Сырпать, Трепать.

Дремать to snooze

Дремлю
дремлешь
дремлет
дремлем
дремлете
дремлют

Колебать ?

колеблю
колеблешь
колеблет
колеблем
колеблете
колеблют

сырпать to pour

сырплю
сырплешь
сырплет
сырплем
сырплете
сырплют

трепать to toussel (?)

треплю
треплешь
треплет
треплем
треплете
треплют

Ok, so...if someone could let me know if I am on the right track, or some plce else, I'd appreciate it!

Aaron

My goodness. I don't even know the meaning of three of those verbs without any context, and I've been at it for five years. Why is she having you learn such words at this level?

I never heard of these words before but these are the definitions from my online dictionary.
On my fifth lesson, I learned how to count to 10.

Дремать = to doze; drowse; nod; slumber; snooze; nap; niddle-noddle; sleep lightly

Колебать = to shake; fluctuate; rock; sway; swing

сырпать = to strew; scatter; pour; sputter; pelt; crack; squander; pour out; rain; sift

трепать = to tousle; twitch; flutter; tap; wear out; fray; harass; brake; chuck; deckle

Oops! The above post was mine. I forgot to log in.

Originally Posted by Pravit

My goodness. I don't even know the meaning of three of those verbs without any context, and I've been at it for five years. Why is she having you learn such words at this level?

I agree!

The fifth lesson? My goodness. So she wants you to know "сырпать", but I'm presuming you don't know "возвращаться"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Дремать = niddle-noddle

It is closer to niddle than to noddle

Pravit...you would be correct in the fact that I have not learnt возвращаться.

She was just giving me exceptions to the "rules" for 1st and 2nd verb conjugations. But she recently quizzed me on them and I didn't know them. Ahh well...they are interesting verbs anyways.

Originally Posted by testera

трепать to toussel (?)

There's a word you don't hear too often.

"сырпать" is apparently "сыпать" (without р!)
Yeah, that's a funny set of words for the fifth lesson

Originally Posted by shadow1

Originally Posted by testera

трепать to toussel (?)

There's a word you don't hear too often.

You would often hear 'трепать нервы'

Absolutely beyond any need for a person studying the fifth lesson.

But- I hear the call.

Verbs are like this (I use apostrophe after a consonant to indicate palatalization):

l'ub'- i - t' = stem + suffix (i) + desinence (t' for infinitive)

Normally the desinence for first person sing. is -u. BUT verbs don't like to have a LABIAL (PBVFM) palatalized and followed by the -u 1st. pers. sg. so instead insert an "epenthetic Л" sort of like the same reason you say "a banana" but that epenthetic N sneaks in when you say "an apple". Simple.

So you have люб - л -ю (humblest apologies to any slavic linguists reading this)

дрем - л - ю I dream

сп -л - ю I sleep

Similar stuff happens with other consonants. For example, I recently saw опостить a newly coined Russian word meaning 'to post' as on a discussion board like this one. So what do you think the 1st p. sg. is, knowing already that крестить мстить блестить and many others replace what should be т+ю with щу (крещу, мщу, блещу).

"I will post" is :

Ask your teacher how to conjugate опостить. (S/he may deny that it exists, but tell her/him I've seen it on the internet.)

You don't even need to know the meaning, and the Щ will come automatically.

Actually - my advise is to find another teacher. This one is going in waaaay too deep into grammatical structures for lesson #5.

Wow. Lesson five? Learning that stuff. For a moment I felt slow in my learnings. Only on lesson 8 and learning the differences of Masculine, Feminine, Neuter, plural stuff. And how to pronounce simple stuff like ваш, ваша, ваше, ваши. Although I can hear it just can't get my tongue yet to properly say the sound correctly.

Actually the explaination posted by chaika makes sense to me now. And in my teacher's defense, she was giving me the basic rules of the first and second conjugation...but as always with any language...there are exceptions...so she had me learn a few of them.
I have been working off and on learning Russian for about three years now, with very little help except a VERY patient friend in Tomsk and a couple Bulgarian friends from when I was in college. I finally got in contact with the woman who is currently my teacher through the University of New Hampshire (as I am unable to formally study Russian through the University due to my work schedule and I am currently refusing to study a language for class credit). I was previously familiar with the first and second conjugations, so she felt the exceptions were apropriate. I don't mind that she may have "pushed" me a little bit.
By the way, is anyone familiar with Ovsiyenko's "Russian for Beginners"? So far I have had success with the book.