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    Determinate Perfectives

    I think I basically understand indeterminate/determinate verbs, and imperfective/perfective. But I'm not sure I understand when it suffices to use an imperfective determinate verb of movement, and when you have to use a perfective determinate verb of movement.

    For example, to say, "He went to France (and stayed there)," I assume you would use a perfective determinate. But if you wanted to say, "He is going to France (and will stay there)," you would use an imperfective determinate?

    Do I have the idea right?

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    I think:

    He went to France (and stayed): он поехал во Францию. (Perfective Determinate)

    He is going to France (and will stay there): он поедет во Францию. (Perfective determinate)

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    He went to France (and stayed, he is not coming back)): он yехал во Францию.
    He is going to France (and will stay there): он yедет во Францию.

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    saibot's examples are correct as well. The only thing that confuses me a bit is (and will stay there). That's probably why Milanya changed the prefixes.
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    Ok, so for both of those you need a perfective determinate. But when would you use an imperfective determinate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by challenger
    Ok, so for both of those you need a perfective determinate. But when would you use an imperfective determinate?
    You can say as well "он уезжает во Францию" (imperfective) I think its meaning is more close to "he is going to France" or "he is leaving for France" while "он yедет во Францию" is more close to "he will go to France"
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    prefixes with verbs of motion:

    по- used with the determinate forms идти means to set off, to begin, or to alter direction. Он ходил по дороге, а потом побежал/пошёл налево. He was walking along the road, and then started running/turned off to the left.

    по- with the indeterminate forms adds the meaning of "a little" to the verb. Он походил в саду. He walked around the garden for a while.

    Milanya changed the prefix because у- adds the "movement away" part, not по-.

    Он поехал во Францию. He set off for France.
    Он уехал во Францию. He went away to France.
    Он ездил во Францию. He went to France and back.
    And then there's Он съездил во Францию. I don't know the difference this prefix makes here, or if you can say it at all. He went down to France and returned, maybe?

    So now when you watch the movie Кукушка you will know what the Russian guy means when asked what his name is. He answers Пшол ты! So they call him that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaika
    Он ездил во Францию. He went to France and back.
    And then there's Он съездил во Францию. I don't know the difference this prefix makes here, or if you can say it at all.
    You can use both, "ездил" can mean here:
    1. He's been to France
    Он ездил во Францию=Он был во Франции
    2. He was there more than one time
    Он ездил во Францию три раза

    съездил:
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    He went down to France and returned, maybe?
    yes.

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    Ok, I think I basically get it... but what is the difference between:

    1. Он ехал в магазин

    2. он поехал в магазин

    I don't think I quite understand the past determinate perfective versus the past determinate imperfective. If you wanted to say "He went to the store (and came back)" you'd use ездил (as I understand it), so I don't know where ехал fits in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by challenger
    Ok, I think I basically get it... but what is the difference between:

    1. Он ехал в магазин

    2. он поехал в магазин

    I don't think I quite understand the past determinate perfective versus the past determinate imperfective. If you wanted to say "He went to the store (and came back)" you'd use ездил (as I understand it), so I don't know where ехал fits in.
    1. He was going to the shop (...when something happened)

    2. He went to the shop (you don't know if he made it there, he isn't back)
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    I think I understand... always a nice feeling with Russian Thanks, guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    1. He was going to the shop (...when something happened)
    например: он ехал в магазин, когда небо начало ронять.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saibot
    например: он ехал в магазин, когда небо начало ронять.
    постойте, и что же оно начало ронять?

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    Наверное, капли....дождя
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    1. He was going to the shop (...when something happened)

    2. He went to the shop (you don't know if he made it there, he isn't back)
    And what do you say if he went to the shop and did come back?

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    [quote=синичка]
    Quote Originally Posted by "kalinka_vinnie":309vu8q2
    1. He was going to the shop (...when something happened)

    2. He went to the shop (you don't know if he made it there, he isn't back)
    And what do you say if he went to the shop and did come back?[/quote:309vu8q2]

    он ездил в магазин.

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    or он съездил в магазин. It depends on context.

    К сайботу пришли гости, а у него дома не было водки. Он съездил в магазин и купил 10 бутылок.

    - Где он был?
    - Он ездил в магазин.

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    What about the typo you made?
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    You mean he bought 20 bottles? ;)

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    Конечно же!
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