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    просел?

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    что значит просел?
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    И вдруг по выражению специалистов, видавших момент аварии, самолёт как будто просел и затем упал буквально плашмя.

    And suddenly from the look on the faces of the experts who saw the moment of the crash, it was as if the aircraft collapsed and then literally fell down flat.
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    Просесть - переместиться вниз по горизонтали. Просесть может, к примеру, земля, по каким-либо строением, и привести к разрушению. Это может произойти, например, из-за грунтовых вод.
    В примере же с самолётом, имеется в виду его резкое отклонение вниз от первоначальной горизонтали. Возможно, этот рассказ ведётся от лица человека, находившегося в этот момент в самолёте. Он описывает ситуацию, когда самолёт резко провалился вниз, и пол как бы уходит у него из-под ног. Это ощущение напоминает проседание (проваливание) земли под ногами.
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    Re: просел?

    Quote Originally Posted by sperk
    привет,
    что значит просел?
    Заранее большое спасибо

    И вдруг по выражению специалистов, видавших момент аварии, самолёт как будто просел и затем упал буквально плашмя.

    And suddenly from the look on the faces of the experts who saw the moment of the crash, it was as if the aircraft collapsed and then literally fell down flat.
    I fail to pick a correct equivalent in English.
    Проседать means to settle down (literally)
    It means as in air pocket in the given context.
    (Exactly what happenned, I gather)

    Also you may hear дом просел
    that means that the house has settled down (as a result of an earthquake or undermining for example) or soil degradation (also: почва просела).
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    "Просесть" means "to come down, descend, fall, go down".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim84
    "Просесть" means "to come down, descend, fall, go down".
    Если ты скажешь, the house fell, тебя могут понять неправильно
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    Посмотрел в словаре, самый подходящий перевод для проседания земли - "cave in". Не знаю, правда, можно ли распространить это на случай с самолётом?
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    I wrote that 4 variants, considering the following definition common for all four - "move downward and lower, but not necessarily all the way" in a dictionary. I guess I should've written like this:

    "Просесть" means "to come down, descend, fall, go down, but not all the way".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim84
    I wrote that 4 variants, considering the following definition common for all four - "move downward and lower, but not necessarily all the way" in a dictionary. I guess I should've written like this:

    "Просесть" means "to come down, descend, fall, go down, but not all the way".
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    Ещё бисквит оседает, если его сразу после выпечки вынуть из духовки. Что бисквит не осел, нужно не открывать духовку ещё 15-20 минут. Если корж проседает в середине, духовка недостаточно горячая.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada
    Ещё бисквит оседает, если его сразу после выпечки вынуть из духовки. Что бисквит не осел, нужно не открывать духовку ещё 15-20 минут. Если корж проседает в середине, духовка недостаточно горячая.
    что значит корж?
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    well it said: просел и затем упал

    So it fell down and then fell down??? I think it is more like "stopped mid-air"

    Probably the thought was something like: Suddenly the airplane appeared to stop mid-air and then fall literally straight down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sperk
    что значит корж?

    Вот этот торт сделал из четырёх коржей. Между коржами - крем.
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    well it said: просел и затем упал

    So it fell down and then fell down??? I think it is more like "stopped mid-air"

    Probably the thought was something like: Suddenly the airplane appeared to stop mid-air and then fall literally straight down.
    Ok, maybe my translation wasn't good, after all. I'll try to explain.

    'самолёт как будто просел и затем упал буквально плашмя' means 'the plane kinda jerked (made a sudden movement) downwards and then fell down flat.

    By the way, sperk, your translation is incorrect.
    'И вдруг по выражению специалистов, видавших момент аварии' means 'and suddenly, in the words of the experts who saw the moment of the crash'

    So the full translation is:
    'And suddenly, in the words of the experts who saw the moment of the crash, the plane kinda jerked (made a sudden movement) downwards and then fell down flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim84
    well it said: просел и затем упал

    So it fell down and then fell down??? I think it is more like "stopped mid-air"

    Probably the thought was something like: Suddenly the airplane appeared to stop mid-air and then fall literally straight down.
    Ok, maybe my translation wasn't good, after all. I'll try to explain.

    'самолёт как будто просел и затем упал буквально плашмя' means 'the plane kinda jerked (made a sudden movement) downwards and then fell down flat.

    By the way, sperk, your translation is incorrect.
    'И вдруг по выражению специалистов, видавших момент аварии' means 'and suddenly, in the words of the experts who saw the moment of the crash'

    So the full translation is:
    'And suddenly, in the words of the experts who saw the moment of the crash, the plane kinda jerked (made a sudden movement) downwards and then fell down flat.
    Jerk - это резкий рывок, а проседать можно вполне плавно. В английском языке есть выражение air pocket - воздушная яма.
    Вот я и написал - просесть - dropped down a little as in air pocket.
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    air pocket does not make sense in this context. Why would you say it dropped a little and then fell? Both are falling motions, масленное масло.

    Maybe you can try to explain the meaning a little clearer, what is the difference between просесть and упасть in this context?

    I am assuming this is related to the Ukrainian crash... look what I found on NY Times: A witness, identified only as Irina, said on the “Russia Today” television program that the plane seemed to be out of control before it crashed and exploded on the ground. “It was falling like a petal,” she said.

    I think that is a better translation for упал буквально плашмя. "Fall down flat" doesn't really sound that well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    “It was falling like a petal,” she said.
    Yep, it's called "плоский штопор".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

    I am assuming this is related to the Ukrainian crash
    it's from http://www.russianmentor.net/RussianLib ... nr_45a.htm
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    Then what is the question? Jeez, the translation is right there!!!

    And suddenly from the look on the faces of the experts who saw the moment of the crash, it was as if the aircraft collapsed and then literally fell down flat.

    Although I don't entirely agree with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    air pocket does not make sense in this context. Why would you say it dropped a little and then fell? Both are falling motions, масленное масло.

    Maybe you can try to explain the meaning a little clearer, what is the difference between просесть and упасть in this context?
    Просесть - literally means that plane dropped a little (lost some height) then continued to fly (like in air pocket) and fall only afterwards.
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    why not say 'dipped' then?
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