Thread: "обменять сов. см. обменивать"

I was trying to look up the word обменять and encountered some confusion...

1) This word is not in English "Wiktionary" at all (anyone knows why..? Is it an unusual word? Wouldn't have thought so, since it means "exchange"....)

2) I found it in Mail.ru's dictionary, and it seems to have TWO perfects
I.e.
Imperfect: обменивать
Perfect: обменить AND обменять
What is going on?

3) Please can anyone tell me what "сов. см." stands for ?

Originally Posted by Hanna

"сов. см."

"advise to see" or 'recommend to see' or something like that. That's my guess.

Thanks Seraph!

Originally Posted by Hanna

3) Please can anyone tell me what "сов. см." stands for ?

my guess is that 'сов.' = совершенный вид глагола.
см - as already suggested, смотри.

2) I found it in Mail.ru's dictionary, and it seems to have TWO perfects
I.e.
Imperfect: обменивать
Perfect: обменить AND обменять

"обменить" sounds exceedinly strange.
Whoever entered this word into Mail.ru dictionary might be tripping on something heavy.

Originally Posted by Schrödinger's cat

"обменить" sounds exceedinly strange.

Exactly. There is no such word. Only "обменять". May be it's not [s:1tg3s9z9]"обменить"[/s:1tg3s9z9] but "отменить" wich means "to cancel"?

Ok, thanks for clarifying! I will just learn that verb pair as it is in the header and ignore the other word for the time being.

Может быть, глагол "обменить" устарелое слово? Смотрете здесь: http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc2p/285690

Словарь, из которого это объяснение, относится к 19 веку.

Робин

Originally Posted by bitpicker

Смотрите здесь: http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc2p/285690

Oh, yes! It's a famous Dal's dictionary. It's a dictionary of all Russian vernaculars and slangs of 19th century. Most of them nowadays do not exist at all. It is used as a historical document and as a reading for pleasure but in no way as a reference for the contemporary Russian.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

Originally Posted by bitpicker

Смотрите здесь: http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc2p/285690

Oh, yes! It's [s:3ge6hko7]a[/s:3ge6hko7] the famous Dal's dictionary.

Perfect example of when to use "the"!
Because that dictionary is famous, you say.

By the way, Lingvo loads that dictionary by default. I keep trying to get rid of it because I don't want a RU-RU dictionary at this point... But I am sure it's great!

Sometimes "the" can be used to show that something is "the most" of something.. or famous for something. A bit like the word "самый" can be used, I think. When you want to use "the" in that way, then you pronounce it very clearly, or in writing, make it Italic.

By the way, Lingvo loads that dictionary by default. I keep trying to get rid of it because I don't want a RU-RU dictionary at this point... But I am sure it's great!

Strange, it's primarily old. On the same site I linked to you'll find at least two contemporary Ru-Ru dictionaries, which seem to be a much better choice. A dictionary which doesn't include the word компьютер isn't what I'd want to use today.