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    не я или меня?

    It's Grisha who speaks slowly, and not me.
    Мой перевод:
    Это Гриша говорит медлино а не я (меня).
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    Re: не я или меня?

    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    It's Grisha who speaks slowly, and not me.
    Мой перевод:
    Это Гриша, который говорит медленно а не я (меня).
    Why would it be меня?

    Think about it,
    Кто говорю медленно?
    Гриша говорит медленно.
    Я (не) говорю медленно.
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    Re: не я или меня?

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    It's Grisha who speaks slowly, and not me.
    Мой перевод:
    Это Гриша, который говорит медленно а не я (меня).
    Why would it be меня?

    Think about it,
    Кто говорю медленно?
    Гриша говорит медленно.
    Я (не) говорю медленно.
    Because of the negation "не", which I thought will usually have a genetive case after it.
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    Re: не я или меня?

    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    It's Grisha who speaks slowly, and not me.
    Мой перевод:
    Это Гриша говорит медленно, а не я (меня).
    "... а не я" is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Why would it be меня?

    Think about it,
    Кто говорит медленно?
    Гриша говорит медленно.
    Я (не) говорю медленно.
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    Re: не я или меня?

    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
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    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    It's Grisha who speaks slowly, and not me.
    Мой перевод:
    Это Гриша, который говорит медленно а не я (меня).
    Why would it be меня?

    Think about it,
    Кто говорю медленно?
    Гриша говорит медленно.
    Я (не) говорю медленно.
    Because of the negation "не", which I thought will usually have a genetive case after it.
    Genitive is used when the object of a verb is negated (unless the verb takes an oblique case anyway), but in this case Я is the grammatical subject, not the object.

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    Re: не я или меня?

    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    Because of the negation "не", which I thought will usually have a genetive case after it.
    Sorry, but you've got that wrong.

    1) The genitive of negation is used in place of accusative only:
    Я читаю книги. - Я не читаю книг.
    Я пил молоко. - Я не пил молока.
    etc.
    Note: accusative is still possible here. (Я не читаю книги. Я не пил молоко. are also correct)

    Other cases do not change in negative sentences:
    Мой друг (NOM) писал письмо (ACC) брату (DAT) красным карандашом (INSTR).
    Мой друг (NOM) не писал письма (GEN) брату (DAT) красным карандашом (INSTR).

    2) The genitive of negation is used only when a verb is negated:
    Я не читаю книг. I do not read books.

    When a noun (or pronoun) is negated, it is not used:
    Не я читаю книги. (impossible: Не я читаю книг. or Не меня читаю книги). It's not me who reads books.
    Я читаю не книги. (impossible: Я читаю не книг). The things I read are not books.

    In your example, the both conditions are not met:
    1) the original case is Nominative;
    2) here a pronoun is negated (not a verb).

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