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    Мы с Тобой constructions

    Ok, i totally understand "you and i" is translated to "мы с тобой" (singular you)

    And i understand мы с вами (you and i) (plural you)

    But i really don't know how to make these constructions, for example, how could i make it "us and you" "we And them" etc. etc.

    I suppose i ask because i cannot for my life find a thorough explanation of this paradigm in russian.


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    Nom с Abl

    вы с ними
    они с нами
    те с этими
    эти с теми

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    What does ABL stand for, and thank you, but any more elaboration?
    Can these constructions change with case, and could you please make some sentence examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gottimhimmel View Post
    Ok, i totally understand "you and i" is translated to "мы с тобой" (singular you)

    And i understand мы с вами (you and i) (plural you)

    But i really don't know how to make these constructions, for example, how could i make it "us and you" "we And them" etc. etc.

    I suppose i ask because i cannot for my life find a thorough explanation of this paradigm in russian.


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    I think I understand what causes your confusion.
    "Мы с тобой" can stand for "you (sg) and I" or for "you (sg) and us".
    "Мы с вами" can stand for "you (pl) and I" or for "you (pl) and us".
    "Мы с ним" can stand for "He and I" or for "He and us".
    "Мы с ними" can stand for "They and I" or for "They and us".

    This is understood from a context.

    Actually, the construction "мы с ..." is intended to give a more precise definition of what "мы" involves.
    What is "мы" (we) in general? It denotes a group of people which includes "me". Generally, when you use "мы", it is not clear how many persons it names, and who they are. But a context can make it clear.

    So, all those "с ..." parts can be removed completely, if the context is sufficient.
    If not, you can make any clarifications of who is included to that "мы".
    For example, "Мы работаем в компании Майкрософт" (just for example) - it is not clear whom I include to "мы".
    "Мы с Петром работаем в компании Майкрософт" gives more details. Now it is clear I include Peter. But maybe someone else is also there. The context just leaves it out.
    "Мы с тобой и с Петром работаем в компании Майкрософт" is even more clear.

    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gottimhimmel View Post
    What does ABL stand for, and thank you, but any more elaboration?
    Can these constructions change with case, and could you please make some sentence examples?
    More elaboration: a word after "с" (a noun or a pronoun) should be in Instrumental.
    The first word (e.g. "мы") does change with cases:

    Мы с тобой работаем. - Nominative.
    Эта книга будет полезна для нас с тобой. - Genitive.
    Нам с тобой будет интересно об этом узнать. - Dative.
    etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gottimhimmel View Post
    What does ABL stand for, and thank you, but any more elaboration?
    Can these constructions change with case, and could you please make some sentence examples?
    Ablative case.

    The first pronoun takes the nominative case, the second takes the ableative (instrumental) case.
    If you need to decline it, the form of the first word will be changed.

    Мы с ними

    Мы с ними идем в парк.
    Не забудьте позвать нас с ними в парк.
    Нам с ними очень понравилось в парке.

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    Ah, ok, i appreciate it Боб увтман, as another question, to what does the нам с тобой refer back to in the dative case, like, how can i, when creating a creative though, determine what case i want to use for the noun/pronoun in the first part?

    Also, can you make this a possessive sentence? For example: МY dog аnd i went for a walk with you.

    Моя собака с тобой пошли гулять.

    I guess furthermore what i am asking is in what ways can use this construction, can you include multiple nouns? Can you add an adjective at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gottimhimmel View Post
    as another question, to what does the нам с тобой refer back to in the dative case, like, how can i, when creating a creative though, determine what case i want to use for the noun/pronoun in the first part?
    Sorry, I am afraid I do not fully understand this question. Can you be more specific?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gottimhimmel View Post
    For example: МY dog аnd i went for a walk with you.

    Моя собака с тобой пошли гулять.
    You wrote "My dog and I" - so "Моя собака с тобой" is definitely incorrect.

    Theoretically, you can say "Мы с собакой пошли гулять" (My dog and I went for a walk). In this case, it implies you very close, "human" attitude to your dog. If "мы" = "Я" + "моя собака", then "моя собака" is treated almost as a human being. Otherwise, say just "Я пошёл гулять с собакой".

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    You can say: мы с моей собакой пошли с тобой гулять.

    You can also make the мы с part possessive - for example: это наша с тобой собака - this is your and my dog (it's not exactly grammatical in English I know). And the possessive part can be in different cases for example я поджег вашу с ним машину - I set fire to you and his car.

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    Oh, I see, you original sentence was "МY dog аnd i went for a walk with you". I did not notice "with you" part.

    In this case, I would prefer "Мы с тобой пошли гулять с моей собакой". It sounds more natural. I combined the humans to "мы с тобой" construction, and I moved the animal separately. Since "гулять с собакой" is a kind of activity where "с собакой" more relates to "гулять" (clarification of the verb) rather than to the participants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gottimhimmel View Post
    I guess furthermore what i am asking is in what ways can use this construction, can you include multiple nouns? Can you add an adjective at all?
    Yes, you can:
    Мы пошли гулять с Иваном, Петром и Игорем.
    or
    Мы с красивой девушкой гуляли по парку.

    Actually, what I already wrote, the main part is "мы". (Or it can be "вы", "они" etc.)
    What you add using "с" is just a more detailed clarification of who is included.

    To make it easier, think of it this way:
    Мы с тобой пошли гулять. = We (including you) went for a walk.
    Мы с ним учимся в университете. = We (including him) study at a university.
    Does it make sense?

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    This is a really thorough explanation!

    Большое спасибо всем!

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