Thread: вечер и / или ночь

When does вечер end? When does ночь begin (this alone is rather easy)? I would know which hours there is вечер and ночь simultaneously. Thank you.

It's a really difficult question. Everybody sets this limit for himself. I think, night begins when I fall asleep... unless I'm awake all night through.

I think ночь is later than the English "night". I think it's more after midnight.

I agree.
Night begins since midnight. Night and evening exist simultaneously about 12 p.m. (or maybe for some people a bit earlier). You can hear both "12 вечера" and "12 ночи".

Judging by the noun we use when telling time ("семь часов вечера", "два часа дня", etc.) the shedule looks like this:
1-2 - ночь
3-4 - ночь/утро
5-10 - утрo
11 - утро/день
12-15 - день
16-17 - день/вечер
18-22 - вечер
23-24 - вечер/ночь

The way I feel:
1-4 - ночь
5-11 - утро
12-17 - день
18-24 - вечер

* - Russian "hours" system is used

Originally Posted by TATY

I think ночь is later than the English "night".

Absolutely right. Ночь is actually the time when people sleep. If you can say "I talked to him last night" in English, "Я говорил с ним прошлой ночью" would sound quite strange in Russian. At least like you've spent the night (till the morning) in the same flat as he has.

Thanks for your wide explanation.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Night begins since midnight.

English grammar note: Night begins at midnight.

Originally Posted by doninphxaz

English grammar note: Night begins at midnight.

Thanks.

I have a question too... Since it's "two o'clock in the morning", is 2am really considered morning?

Originally Posted by Indra

I have a question too... Since it's "two o'clock in the morning", is 2am really considered morning?

Is it a question for Americans or for Russians?
I'd say it's still night.

Cocos,
по-русски "2 часа утра" пока еще слышать не приходилось

Originally Posted by Cocos

Is it a question for English natives or for Russians?

What a weird question.
"a.m." has nothing to do with "morning". It means "before noon/midday", so strictly speaking it refers to the first 12 hours of the day, i.e. both to night and morning.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

What a weird question.
"a.m." has nothing to do with "morning".

But in English they say exactly "two o'clock in the morning", meaning "2 часа ночи".

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

What a weird question.
"a.m." has nothing to do with "morning".

But in English they say exactly "two o'clock in the morning", meaning "2 часа ночи".

Well, yeah. They do. Действительно странно...

Well, morning and night are somewhat separate from AM/PM in terms of translation to, let's say, Russian.

I mean, we have morning and then afternoon. Afternoon being after noon aka 12 PM.

We need AM and PM because we don't use the same twenty-four hour schedule (in America we call it Army time).

Originally Posted by Indra

I have a question too... Since it's "two o'clock in the morning", is 2am really considered morning?

It's me again My next question, is it ok to say "Is 2am really considered morning?" or "... really considered to be morning?", or both are incorrect?

Originally Posted by Indra

is it ok to say "Is 2am really considered morning?" or "... really considered to be morning?", or both are incorrect?

Both are fine. (I'm a native speaker of US English.)

doninphxaz
thank you