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  1. January 7th, 2005, 01:48 AM #1
    kwatts59
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    Гулянка

    Can someone please help with these short phrases for a song?
    I am guessing based on context so I am not sure if I am correct.

    а у нас гуляночка
    And we are having a little party

    тройка белых лошадей.
    three white horses - why does he use тройка instead of три

    И стучат, стучат, стучат бокалы в такт
    And ting, ting, ting wine glasses on the step

    Ше не вмерла Украина, если мы гуляем так
    No clue Ukraine, if we stroll so

    скачет по поляночке
    No clue

    Any help would be appreciated. THanks all.
    Какая разница, умереть богатым или бедным?

    Какой толк от богатства если ты не счастлив.
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  2. January 7th, 2005, 03:00 AM #2
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    Re: Гулянка

    Quote Originally Posted by kwatts59
    Can someone please help with these short phrases for a song?
    I am guessing based on context so I am not sure if I am correct.

    а у нас гуляночка
    And we are having a little party

    тройка белых лошадей.
    three white horses - why does he use тройка instead of три

    И стучат, стучат, стучат бокалы в такт
    And ting, ting, ting wine glasses on the step

    Ше не вмерла Украина, если мы гуляем так
    No clue Ukraine, if we stroll so

    скачет по поляночке
    No clue

    Any help would be appreciated. THanks all.

    а у нас гуляночка
    And we are having a little party
    Ok

    тройка белых лошадей.
    three white horses - why does he use тройка instead of три
    Тройка is also a traditional russian way to harness three horses together like this:
    http://www.photostudio.ru/rus/prev/BA-0003.html

    И стучат, стучат, стучат бокалы в такт
    And ting, ting, ting wine glasses on the step
    And ting, ting, ting wine glasses in time

    Ше не вмерла Украина, если мы гуляем так
    Ukraine is not destroyed <as a country> ( dead literally, from ukrainian ), if we're celebrating like this.

    скачет по поляночке
    jumps on a little meadow
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  3. January 7th, 2005, 04:22 AM #3
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    isn't тройка (and Двойка) just a name for a group of 3 (or 2) people.
    Вот это да, я так люблю себя. И сегодня я люблю себя, ещё больше чем вчера, а завтра я буду любить себя to ещё больше чем сегодня. Тем что происходит,я вполне доволен!
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  4. January 7th, 2005, 04:59 AM #4
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    It's also a grade(getting a тройка in English, for example).
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  5. January 7th, 2005, 06:08 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy182
    isn't тройка (and Двойка) just a name for a group of 3 (or 2) people.
    Three horses are just three horses but Тройка is three horses and a special traditional way to harness them.

    And yes, тройка also can be used instead of три in some contexts:
    Задай-ка мне пару-тройку вопросов (два или три вопроса).
    Я получил "тройку" ("три") за контрольную работу.
    "Тройка" ( Жигули ВАЗ 2103) остановилась около магазина.
    Тройка лучших песен недели (Три лучшие песни недели )
    Я вытащил тройку (три) из колоды карт.
    Только тройка шаров (три шара) осталась на биллиардном столе.

    But in the following examples you can use only "тройка", not "три"
    Костюм-тройка
    Революционная тройка
    Шведская тройка
    Большая Тройка собралась на конференцию в Тегеране в 1943 году.
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  6. January 7th, 2005, 06:37 AM #6
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    Thank you all for your help.
    I just have a couple more questions on this song.

    Буде жити Украина, если мы гуляем так.
    Ukraine will live, if we are celebrating so.

    Скачет, скачет, скачет по поляночке.
    Skips, skips, skips by little поляночке.

    Ше не вмерла Украина
    Ukraine is not destroyed
    What does Ше mean in this sentence?
    What is the infinitive form (the root form) for the verb вмерла - to be destroyed? This word is not in my dictionary.

    Maybe I need a better dictionary. I am using Rambler.
    http://www.rambler.ru/dict/enru/
    Can someone can recommend a better online dictionary?
    Какая разница, умереть богатым или бедным?

    Какой толк от богатства если ты не счастлив.
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  7. January 7th, 2005, 06:40 AM #7
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    Oops. Sorry DennisM, I didnt see your answer for поляночке.
    поляночке = little meadow.
    Какая разница, умереть богатым или бедным?

    Какой толк от богатства если ты не счастлив.
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  8. January 7th, 2005, 06:56 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwatts59
    Thank you all for your help.
    I just have a couple more questions on this song.

    Буде жити Украина, если мы гуляем так.
    Ukraine will live, if we are celebrating so.

    Скачет, скачет, скачет по поляночке.
    Skips, skips, skips by little поляночке.

    Ше не вмерла Украина
    Ukraine is not destroyed
    What does Ше mean in this sentence?
    What is the infinitive form (the root form) for the verb вмерла - to be destroyed? This word is not in my dictionary.

    Maybe I need a better dictionary. I am using Rambler.
    http://www.rambler.ru/dict/enru/
    Can someone can recommend a better online dictionary?
    Yes, поляночка = небольшая поляна = little meadow

    Ще ( укр ) = Еще ( рус )
    вмерла ( укр ) = умерла ( рус )

    So you need an ukrainian-english dictionary for translating songs like this one. For example this one:
    http://lingresua.tripod.com/cgi-bin/oluaen.pl


    вмерла found in:
    вмерлий currently, no translation availble
    вмерти to die

    Ще
    ще else, yet
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  9. January 7th, 2005, 02:08 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwatts59
    What is the infinitive form (the root form) for the verb вмерла - to be destroyed?
    It means "to die."

    вмерти = умереть
    вмирати = умирать
    За ночь под свинцовым градом,
    За то, что меня нет рядом,
    Ты прости, сестра моя, Югославия...
    (Лена Катина, будущая "татушка", 1999 г.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    [
    Three horses are just three horses but Тройка is three horses and a special traditional way to harness them.
    .
    Can you tell me any history behind this method of hitching horses. Such as if it goes back to the days of war charriots. Possibly Roman or not, etc.
    Being three abreast, it was obviously not used for farm work.
    Let me be a free man, free to travel, free to stop, free to work, free to trade where I choose, free to choose my own teachers, free to follow the religion of my fathers, free to talk, think and act for myself. - Chief Joseph, Nez Perce
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  11. January 7th, 2005, 04:18 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT
    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    [
    Three horses are just three horses but Тройка is three horses and a special traditional way to harness them.
    .
    Can you tell me any history behind this method of hitching horses. Such as if it goes back to the days of war charriots. Possibly Roman or not, etc.
    Being three abreast, it was obviously not used for farm work.
    I'm no expert but the most obvious reason seems to be speed. Especially keeping a good speed on snow-covered or muddy roads during long-distance travel. A single horse gets exhausted faster on a bad road.
    За ночь под свинцовым градом,
    За то, что меня нет рядом,
    Ты прости, сестра моя, Югославия...
    (Лена Катина, будущая "татушка", 1999 г.)
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  12. January 7th, 2005, 04:18 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT
    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    [
    Three horses are just three horses but Тройка is three horses and a special traditional way to harness them.
    .
    Can you tell me any history behind this method of hitching horses. Such as if it goes back to the days of war charriots. Possibly Roman or not, etc.
    Being three abreast, it was obviously not used for farm work.
    I found couple articles for you regarding history of тройка, enjoy:

    http://www.motor.ru/motor/progs/issue.cgi?artno=8-9
    http://www.38popugaev.ru/club/articles/160.html
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    Are you studying Russian or Ukrainian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    на биллиардном столе
    бильярдном
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexei
    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    на биллиардном столе
    бильярдном
    Оба варианта - правильные согласно Lingvo
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    Quote Originally Posted by alexei
    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    на биллиардном столе
    бильярдном
    Оба варианта - правильные согласно Lingvo
    Лингво? А что это такое? :)
    http://www.spravka.gramota.ru/?actio...EB%E8%E0%F0%E4
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  17. January 7th, 2005, 10:00 PM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexei
    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    Quote Originally Posted by alexei
    Quote Originally Posted by DenisM
    на биллиардном столе
    бильярдном
    Оба варианта - правильные согласно Lingvo
    Лингво? А что это такое?
    http://www.spravka.gramota.ru/?actio...EB%E8%E0%F0%E4
    При составлении LingvoUniversal (Ru-En) использовались следующие словари:

    Русско-английский словарь/Сост. О. С. Ахманова и др./ Под общ. рук. Смирницкого А.И. -- 16 изд., под ред. Ахмановой О.С. -- М.; 1992.
    Оксфордский русско-английский словарь/Сост. Маркус Уилер. -- М.; 1994.
    Katzner, Kenneth. English-Russian, Russian-English Dictionary. -- N. Y., etc.; 1984.
    Romanov's Pocket Russian-English, English-Russian Dictionary. -- Washington; 1964
    Хельги Харальдсон. Русско-исландский словарь. -- Рейкьявик, 1996.
    Лубенская С.И. Русско-английский фразеологический словарь. М.; 1997.
    Ожегов С.И., Шведова Н.Ю. Толковый словарь русского языка. М.; 1992.

    А что такое gramota.ru?

    Но действительно, бильярдный используется чаще, чем биллиардный.
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    "использовались" не означает что всё что есть в лингво взято из этих словарей.
    Это значит, что что-то взято оттуда, а что-то они сами при/до-думали :)
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