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Thes are the words, if these dont exist just put a blank or what ever.
I heard it is rude to talk only formal.
and
but
or
yet
for
nor
so
it
they
who
what
when
where
why
also
were
all
to
in
both
did
had
have
What is the letter E with two dots over it for?
Ps if theres anyother I missed please mention them.
до
него
не=not?
дошёл
Ugh. I will make an attempt at this one since I need the practice. :)
and = "и" (sometimes "а" depending on use)
but = "но"
or = "или"
yet = "ешё"
for = "для"
nor = "ни"
so = "так"
it/he = "он" (depends on use)
they = "они"
who = "кто" (there are many variants, depends on use)
what = "что" (there are many variants, depends on use)
when = "когда"
where = "где"
why = "почему"
also = "также"
(we) were = "были" (first person plural past tense of "to be")
all = "все"
to = "к"
in = "в" or "на" (depends on use)
both = "оба"
did = "сделал" (past tense of "to do one time")
did = "делал" (past tense of "to do on a routine basis")
have = "у" + genetive form + "есть" + nomnitive form
Example:
I have a pencil
у меня есть карандаш
до = as far as, up to, until
него = him
не = not
дошёл = (I,he or it) reached (a specific location usually by walking)
past tense of the verb дойти
дойти - to reach (a specific location usually by walking); to get to (a specific location usually by walking); to arrive at (a specific location usually by walking)
The ё sounds like "yo" and is stressed.
до
него
не
дошёл
Sounds like someone was reading my other posts.
but = но or аQuote:
Originally Posted by kwatts59
yet = ещё or уже
for = для + genitive case / за + accusative
Sir Krist, please don't tell us you're gonna try and construct a sentence out of these words???
no I just want to learn some of the words to conjoin sentances,then learn words to make complete sentances.
unfortunatly this is all I could think of at the time...(it was late at night)
I thought
to=V(in latin)B(in russian)
but "B" meaning "in" makes sense as well.
what does this symbol for?"ж" to me it looks like a squished spider or a thing from invaders.
and sometimes I see letters like"bl" is this an aposterphy to change the sound of the last letter? and If I write in latin letters do I just put in the aposterphy?"'" or do I ignore it.
what does "chas" mean
and "Dela"
kak means how...and "TY" means you (informal)
Ж is a letter. It has a similar sound has the French J, or the English measure, pleasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
Ы is a letter. It's a vowel, sort of like the i in bit, but not really. Its a special Russian sound.
Ь is a soft sign, it means the consonant before it is soft (palatised). It is transliterated as an apostrophe '
Ъ is a hard sign (means the consonant before is hard (unpalatised). It is transliterated as "
Chas (Час) means hour
Kak dela? (Как дела?) means How are you?
Ty (Ты) means You (informal / singular).
why cant I say for how are you
Kak Ty?
what about words like,these are russian words(ill get more when i install the language)
OT
А
у=I?
тебя
СПИД,
и=and?
значит
мы
умрём
6bIHe
other questions
why is jared used by the letter "и" instead of й?
so it looks like иaPeд
dont this "й" mean I,Y,J
and this и mean i?
why is r=g but is used in word that use "H" sounds?
Как дела = How are you
Как ты = like you
OT = from (depends on use)
А = but
и = and
Pronouns (Nomnitive form)
я = I
ты = you (familiar singular)
он = he or it
она = she or it
мы = we
вы = you (polite or plural)
они = they
тебя = you (genitive form of ты)
значит = so, then or well then
умрём = we die (from the word умереть)
6bIHe = ? I don't know this word
СПИД = ? I don't know this word
й when combined with a vowel adds a short i sound to the vowel, I dont think it has a sound of its own
и sounds like "ee" as in the English word seed
г sounds like the English "g" in most cases
г sounds like an English "v" when used in genitive endings
I would spell Jared = Жаред
иаред would sound something like eeared
You can say "как ты" for how are you.
You can also say
Как делишки
Как ты поживаешь
как сам
как идут твои дела?
Can you say Как ты?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Sir Krist, I presume you are asking what my sig means:
А у тебя СПИД, и значит мы умрём.
But you have AIDS, and that means we'll die.
A = but/and
у тебя CПИД = you have AIDS (lieterally: By you is AIDS)
и = and
мы = we
умрём = we will die.
why is r=g but is used in word that use "H" sounds?
I don't know what you are talking about here?
r does not equal G.
The letter J is pronounced as the english Y in most languages.
E.g. in German, the name Jan is pronounced "yan".
So Й can be transliterated as J, but not usually for English.
Russian has no letter for the English J sound, so it uses the combination Дж. Jared would be spelt Джэрад.
You may say why use Э instead of A? It's because the Э is actually closer to the American English sound man, pan. Russian A is too open for these sounds. E.g. Джарад would aound like Jar-rаd.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
I met a woman in Odessa whoes name was Жанна = Janna
That is why I thought Jared would be spelled as Жаред
But now that I think about it Джордж Буш = George Bush
When English is transliterated to Russian they spell things phonetically.Quote:
Originally Posted by kwatts59
Most assuredly you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
I don't agree at all about that. э is a much better transcription of e as in "bed" or "Jared" than the Russian "а", therefore I prefer Джарэд to Джэрад. They will both be wrong, because as you mentioned, the first vowel phoneme will not be rendered correctly, but the former option will be much better.Quote:
Jared would be spelt Джэрад.
You may say why use Э instead of A? It's because the Э is actually closer to the American English sound man, pan. Russian A is too open for these sounds. E.g. Джарад would aound like Jar-rаd.
The Russians have no easy way of producing our "a" in pan and man, but э certainly isn't the solution to that problem. джеред is another option - perhaps you meant that. But no easy answer.
I say Jared (Ja-rudd) The u = the u in put, foot. Thus i use Russian a. Pizza Hut is transliterated as Хат.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing
I am British, this is how we say it. The e in Jared isn't pronounced the same as that in bed and red, not even by Americans.
Джерад sounds the same as Джэрад anyway, because Ж is hard. So i conclude that my transliteration is Джерад. Or if you want to transliterate for the Irish pronounciation: Джаард :lol:
Э is the standard way of transliterating the vowel in pan and man.
E.g. the Russian word Бизнесмэн = Buissnessman. Batman is Бэтмэн or something.
The name Andrew is often written. Эндру
If you want to put on a Russian accent when speaking English. for Pan, and Man, say пэн мэн :)
IMHO: I still think Жарэд or Жаред sound the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
I pronounce it Jar-red as in the color RED. NOT Ja-rudd.
Also, I don't think there should be a leading д.
Anyways, here are some examples
жакет = jacket
жаргон = jargon
жасмин = jasmine
you are missing the point. In English Jared, is pronounced with a J, not a Zh. You are supposed to write how it is pronounced. J in french sounds like Ж. But we are trying to convey the English pronunciation, in which case it starts with a Дж. Kwatts, Дж is how Russians write English J. If you say it quick enough, it even sounds like it. But anyway, alot of Russians recognise it as the foreign sound. Jazz = Джаз.
The words you listed are Frenchified. James in russian is Джеймс
To write the English J sound in Russian you use Дж. I'm sure if you realy listen to the way you say Jared you will see you don't actually say red. The unstressed syllable is reduced. If you say Ja, and then the word red, it just sound wrong. Trust me Джерад or Джарад in the best way to write it.
The French "j" actually sounds much softer. Compare "j'aime", "живу".Quote:
J in french sounds like Ж
Yes, that's why I said sound like, not "sounds the same as".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pravit
The fact is, and I'm sure you'll agree Pravit, that for an the name Jared in English, you wouldn't spell it with a Ж but with a Дж.
Иосеб Джугашвили - Ioseb Jugashvili. The Georgian language has a similar J sound to English. Thus, when Russians write Georgian names with this J sound, they write Дж.
Yep yep, totally agree with "дж" spelling. Just staying true to my nitpicking roots, old TATY. :D
I do the same when people say that Russian Ш is English sh. It's almost the same, but it is actually different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pravit
how is it diffrent?
what is the differnce between the letter for sh and sch?and how would they be used.
I have the russian language installed but I cant put the symbols displayed correctally when I type here...
OK first about the 'u' part.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
What you say is very confused. Firstly, I am almost sure that when you say you use the 'u' in 'put' in Jared, it's not the case. You almost certainly use a 'schwa', which is subtly different (but close in some accents). The schwa is the classic reduced vowel sound in English, for example if you say "Can I ..." with can spoken quickly, it's not an 'a' sound at all, but a schwa.
Secondly, the 'u' in Hut is an entirely different phoneme (sound) to the 'u' in put. Note I'm particularly talking about British English here. The 'u' in Hut is also extremely problematic for Russians, and I accept that the Russian 'a' is as good a solution to that problem as anything else.
I am also British, and I think I could easily pronounce the 'e' in Jared like 'bed'. Of course, it's not an English name, and that's an important point. But nevertheless the rest of what you say has a lot of validity. Because the name is stressed on the first syllable (right?), the second syllable is likely to be reduced. This could either result in a schwa or a short 'i' sound depending on your preference.
Now about the last point - you're right, I was wrong, in as much as Russians do use э for 'a' as in 'pan' and 'man'. I had just forgotten that they often prefer this, although both options of course are inadequate.
Believe me, you don't need to tell me what Russian accented English sounds like, I heard nothing else all last year :)
You are probably right in that the English J is transliterated more frequently as Дж in Russian. I noticed Michael Jackson is spelled Майкла Джексона.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
But when I read it and say it in my head, it sounds very weird.
The same goes with Джордж Буш.
I typed Jared in Rambler slovari and it came back as Джеред or Джаред so these are the "proper" translations.
But I still think Жарэд sounds rather cool. :)
Майкла Джексона. - this probably sounded weird to you because its in accustive/genitive case.
Майкл Джексон- nominative
Ah yes. It sounds a little better.Quote:
Originally Posted by drew881
Who's pronuncuation of Jared are you trying to translit? ;)
If I say джаред, it sounds exactly the same as when I say Jared.
But if I put on a horrible whiney yank accent then Jared sounds more like джэред.
Who's "Jared" is right? Why, the person it belongs to of course!
It's really very simple. Say your name out loud, then look at the cyrillic alphabet, and pick the letters that allow you to make the sound closest to what you just said. How you happen to spell your name with latin letters is totally irrelevant.
And that's exactly why I always try to insist on the term transcription, not transliteration, although no one ever takes any notice. They are completely different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotcher
And it's not actually as quite simple as that, it's a matter of custom as much as anything else, in these cases where no Cyrillic letter is quite right. You can buck the trend, but it seems a bit pointless.
This problem arises because there is no currently available objective measure of phoneme closeness (or is there?). Maybe if you could decide how many degrees of freedom there are in human sound production, you could take the square root of the sum of the squared deviations across all the dimensions .. umm .. see what I mean?
And then with accents it just gets more complicated, although for some reason I've never understood, there's much less deviation in Russian vowel sounds than in English ones.
Yeah fair enough, my bad, though the precise definition isn't really central to the point I was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing
Of couse it's as simple as that. Transcibe ( :) ) the name so that it matches the English pronunciation you use. Bollocks to custom or convention, you're the one who's going to have to live with it.Quote:
And it's not actually as quite simple as that, it's a matter of custom as much as anything else, in these cases where no Cyrillic letter is quite right. You can buck the trend, but it seems a bit pointless.
Since, as you say, there is no hard-and-fast way of defining a 'correct' English pronunciation in the first place, what's the point in worrying about how to transcribe it 'correctly'? If you pronounce it джаред the transcribe it джаред, if you pronounce it джэред then trabscribe it as джэред. If you happen to be French and you pronounce it as жаред then transcribe it as жаред. No-one can tell you that you're wrong, since the name doesn't exist in Russian, and there is no standard way of accurately transcribing English words into Russian, but there are definite vaules associated with the Russian letters.
Hell, it's not even like Russians all use the same system. My current passport has 6 russian visas in it, all issued at the same consulate, and they contain 4 different cyrillic spellings of my name!
But who cares? I certainly don't. If I have to transcribe my name I just transcribe it so that a Russian will pronounce it like I do (or as close as possible). It's no skin off my ass if anyone else gets it 'wrong'.
Absolutely agree. The range of different pronunciation in English is so vast, what amazes me is that we can all correctly identify them at all. So long as the grammar and vocabulary match up, someone from Alabama can talk quite effortlessly with someone from Swansea, in spite of the fact that the individual sounds each of them use to represent any given phoneme have almost nothing in common.Quote:
This problem arises because there is no currently available objective measure of phoneme closeness (or is there?). Maybe if you could decide how many degrees of freedom there are in human sound production, you could take the square root of the sum of the squared deviations across all the dimensions .. umm .. see what I mean?
And then with accents it just gets more complicated, although for some reason I've never understood, there's much less deviation in Russian vowel sounds than in English ones.
how is SH differnt?
PS how do you type russian? I installed the language pack thing and It works perfectally on the microsoft word.
but for some reason it wont type the symbols correctally on this website?
here is an example
9FC:5=
here is what ists soposed to be
йцукен
i coppied the thing from word.
is this correct?
Он=HE
сказал,SAID?
что=WHAT
живёт lived?
в=IN/TO
городе.City?
Он сказал что живёт в городе.
He said that (he) lives in (a) city.
What is йцукен?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
If you know what qwerty is , then you know what йцукен is :)
YouQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
shouldn't
learn
things
like
this.
You should learn a simple sentence, and then build to more complex ones.
Its a Ukrainian dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by kwatts59
BIG TRANSLATION
Мы
снова
эфире !
Огромное
спасибо
тем
кто
зае
ал
меня
своими
письмами ;)
с
просьбами
восстановить
сайт.
Приятно !
Итак
обновлённый
улучшеный
перед
вами !
кое
что
добавил
раздел
файлы -
смотрите,
качайте.
Мы we
снова again
эфире air(radio air)
Огромное huge
спасибо thanks
тем No tranlsation
кто who
зае ??
ал ??
меня me
своими by one's own
письмами letters
с with
просьбами requests
восстановить restore
сайт. site
Приятно great
Итак and so
обновлённый updated
улучшеный ??
перед infront of
вами you pl.
кое no translation
что what/that
добавил added
раздел section
файлы - files
смотрите, look
качайте - download, maybe. Or nod (head)
IQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
think
this
means
"to improve "
but
it
is
spelled
wrong. :D
Shame on you! Have one more try - зае*алQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
улучшенныйQuote:
улучшеный ??
improved
it's кое-чтоQuote:
кое no translation
что what/that
меня заебал = you've bored me / you've made me bored (literally: you f)cked me to an excess)
Sir Krist, can you please just give us the complete sentences instead of breaking them up into single words. Because the complete meaning of words like письмами can't be conveyed otherwise.
im sorry the book I own is confusing, in fact I found it in the garage.
heres a little excerpt from the book it takes time to type especially with a "qwerty" boardso here to all those who wanted a full sentance.
Вот
И было такб,что они веязли
И свяеали,И обжигали ему
кожу еажженными лучинами,
да,на смерть ему