Thread: I need help interpreting

Hello,

My friend gave me a silkscreen painting to sell on Ebay. I want to be as accurate as possible. There is a slip on the back of the painting, I believe it is Russian. Would anyone mind interpreting it for me? I sure do appreciate it.

Chris

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Originally Posted by retired_teacher

Hello,

My friend gave me a silkscreen painting to sell on Ebay. I want to be as accurate as possible. There is a slip on the back of the painting, I believe it is Russian. Would anyone mind interpreting it for me? I sure do appreciate it.

Chris

The untranslated words are the names of companies that produced it, so I've left them as they are. They are basically lots of words stuck together, e.g.
Rosglavpoligrafproma is something like "Rusmainpoligraphfactory" in English or something.

The Trinity - Andrei Rublev (may also be spelt Rublyov)

Old Russian Icon
A reproduction on canvas

Izokombinat "Khudozhnik RSFSR" ["Artist of the RSFSR" (The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic)]

Rosglavpoligrafproma Goskomizdata RSFSR
198099, Leningrad, Promyshlennaya (Industrial) Street, 40

Art. LG-121-01-650
Price 5 roubles, 50 kopecks.
TU 29 RSFSR 476-82
Zak. 973 Tir. 10,000 1977

Thank you, that was very helpful

Chris

Originally Posted by TATY

Old Russian Icon

My impression is that "живопись" just means 'painting'. I'm not sure "icon" is correct here. The Russian word for icon is "икона", no?

Price 5 roubles, 50 kopecks

5.50/0.62= 8.87$

Originally Posted by Mikhail_S

Price 5 roubles, 50 kopecks

5.50/0.62= 8.87$

The Soviet Rouble isn't the same value as the Russian rouble. Wasn't 5 roubles 50 kopckes quite expensive in 1979?

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

Originally Posted by TATY

Old Russian Icon

My impression is that "живопись" just means 'painting'. I'm not sure "icon" is correct here. The Russian word for icon is "икона", no?

The Trinity is an icon though, I've seen it.



http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1% ... 1%D1%8C%29

There is a word живопись and there is a word иконопись. There are not the same. Although Троица is an icon.

Originally Posted by Оля

There is a word живопись and there is a word иконопись. There are not the same. Although Троица is an icon.

Could the word живопись in a broader context include icons though?

Originally Posted by TATY

Could the word живопись in a broader context include icons though?

Hm... Yes.. Why not?
But "древнерусская живопись" is quite устоявшееся словосочетание anyway.

Frankly speaking, древнерусская живопись is always иконопись in point of fact.

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by TATY

Could the word живопись in a broader context include icons though?

Hm... Yes.. Why not?
But "древнерусская живопись" is quite устоявшееся словосочетание anyway.

Frankly speaking, древнерусская живопись is always иконопись in point of fact.

Нет. Не правда.

Иконопись это всегда живопись, но не наоборот.

Можно с большой долей правды сказать, что древнерусская живопись - это всегда религиозные сюжеты.

Но существовали также фрески - это монументальная живопись на религиозные сюжеты, но иконами она не является. Мозаику также можно отнести к технике монументальной живописи, однако в большинстве случаев мозаики это не иконы.

Originally Posted by TATY

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

Originally Posted by TATY

Old Russian Icon

My impression is that "живопись" just means 'painting'. I'm not sure "icon" is correct here. The Russian word for icon is "икона", no?

The Trinity is an icon though, I've seen it.

Here is the image from Wikipedia:



Yes, it certainly looks like an icon. It occured to me that the Soviets may have called it "живопись" and not "икона" for two reasons:

1) For ideological reasons, i.e. suppression of religion and all that.
or
2) Simply that it isn't itself an icon, but rather a copy of one.

AFAIK, in the Russian Orthodox church, an icon has special significance in worship. Perhaps a simple painted copy shouldn't be called an icon because it isn't "real". I don't know -- I'm just suggesting.

Originally Posted by Leof

Нет. Не правда.

Иконопись это всегда живопись, но не наоборот.

Можно с большой долей правды сказать, что древнерусская живопись - это всегда религиозные сюжеты.

Но существовали также фрески - это монументальная живопись на религиозные сюжеты, но иконами она не является. Мозаику также можно отнести к технике монументальной живописи, однако в большинстве случаев мозаики это не иконы.

Лева, я хотела написать "почти always", но меня заклинило на слове "почти", а смотреть в словарь было лень.

Я имела в виду, что живописи в том смысле, в каком мы понимаем европейскую живопись, на Руси не было в то время. И все-таки фрески и мозаика - это не картины.

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

Yes, it certainly looks like an icon.

It IS an icon, very famous icon.

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

It occured to me that the Soviets may have called it "живопись" and not "икона" for two reasons

Не было такой глупости в советском искусствоведении. Иконы называли иконами. Слово живопись тоже употреблялось, потому что иконопись - это тоже живопись. Древнерусская. Вот такая у нас была живопись, ну и что.

Лёва я, Оля, Лёва!

В том-то всё и дело, что картины. Картины это не только то, что в рамочке или то, у чего четыре угла. :P

Слово живопись тоже употреблялось, потому что иконопись - это тоже живопись. Древнерусская.

Вот это правда. Вот теперь ты всё верно сказала.

In this context "живопись" is a collective noun. So "древнерусская живопись" means "old Russian paintings"
"Живопись" can't mean "a painting". It's either painting as an art or paintings collectively.

[quote=Matroskin Kot]

Originally Posted by TATY

Originally Posted by "Matroskin Kot":1lownhlk

Originally Posted by TATY

Old Russian Icon

My impression is that "живопись" just means 'painting'. I'm not sure "icon" is correct here. The Russian word for icon is "икона", no?

The Trinity is an icon though, I've seen it.

Yes, it certainly looks like an icon. It occured to me that the Soviets may have called it "живопись" and not "икона" for two reasons:

1) For ideological reasons, i.e. suppression of religion and all that.
or
2) Simply that it isn't itself an icon, but rather a copy of one.

AFAIK, in the Russian Orthodox church, an icon has special significance in worship. Perhaps a simple painted copy shouldn't be called an icon because it isn't "real". I don't know -- I'm just suggesting.[/quote:1lownhlk]

It says it's a reprouduction on canvas underneath.

Originally Posted by Leof

Лёва я, Оля, Лёва!

Определись наконец кто ты!



В общем, это просто репродукция, как ТАТУ заметил.

Для этого есть запятые :P