Летс ми спик фром май харррт

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V4a_yx4GsI

http://football.sport.ua/images/001(3).jpg

Я поначалу думала, что это шутка, и речь ненастоящая. )))) Тем не менее выступление мне понравилось. Сразу видно, что человек с душой говорил, от всего харрт. :)
К тому же, если б он пробубнил свою речь с переводчиком, никто б и не слушал. А тут такой резонанс. ))
А акцент у всех есть, у кого больше, у кого меньше. Молодец, не комплексует. )

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Я поначалу думала, что это шутка, и речь ненастоящая. )))) Тем не менее выступление мне понравилось. Сразу видно, что человек с душой говорил, от всего харрт. :)

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Конечно с душой. От превкушения такого шикарного распила, который ему обломится, дух захватит у кого угодно.

:bravo:У него получилось хорошо.

"девелопынь рэпидли" :lol:

They should have written the text in Latin letters, as the English words are. Everyone would have had a lot of fun. :D:D:D

If an American minister addressed a group in Russian, it would sound like this .... [silence]. Oh, wait! Not only Russian but any other world language. We are a nation of language dunces over here. But at least we can say thatgRomoZeka is incorrect when she writes А акцент у всех есть, у кого больше, у кого меньше.

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If an American minister addressed a group in Russian, it would sound like this .... [silence]. Oh, wait! Not only Russian but any other world language. We are a nation of language dunces over here. But at least we can say thatgRomoZeka is incorrect when she writes А акцент у всех есть, у кого больше, у кого меньше.

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The thing is that English is the international language and it's right to assume that everyone is, well, more advanced in it than the hero of the thread. :D

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The thing is that English is the international language and it's right to assume that everyone is, well, more advanced in it than the hero of the thread. :D

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Really? Well, Russian is an international language too, considerening how many millions of people outside of Russia speak it as their second or even first language.

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Really? Well, Russian is an international language too, considerening how many millions of people outside of Russia speak it as their second or even first language.

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OK, OK, but the Russian had to read in English, it's really interesting to see in what way an American will be made to speak Russian. That's just the objective state of things, nothing personal...

The truly 'international' language is Chinese. It's spoken by over 20% of the world's population and this number is growing.
While English in USA will soon be replaced with Spanish. Researches estimate that by 2030 the majority of USA population will be native Spanish speakers.

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The truly 'international' language is Chinese. It's spoken by over 20% of the world's population and this number is growing.

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It has a significant drawback - all the speakers are concentrated in just one state.

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While English in USA will soon be replaced with Spanish. Researches estimate that by 2030 the majority of USA population will be native Spanish speakers.

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If all states pass a law on immigration like the one in Arizona, I hope that will never happen.

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It has a significant drawback - all the speakers are concentrated in just one state.

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Oh, they'll spread out, just wait. The Chinese workers will soon be demanding higher pay and the 'middle class' will appear. This will open even more business opportunities and they'll start expanding.

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If all states pass a law on immigration like the one in Arizona, I hope that will never happen.

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It's not just immigration. It's too late, btw. There are enough Spanish speaking people who are already citizens of USA. Taking that 'critical mass' into view, I doubt WASPs would be able to assimilate all of them.

эта тема не могла не появиться на таком формуме :)

Раша гуд, вери гуд! Ай вери прайд виз Раша Футбол Союз!
Кто ему это писал?
Сенька, бери мяч, май фрэндз!

Russian minister Mutko read a speech written with Russian letters in English.
I wonder how much can you understand& The question is adressed to native English speakers.
Here is the speech YouTube - Виталий Мутко фром хиз харт

There was a topic about it here right after he spoke it. Search the forum.

Here you are

ат леест 95%, ее обвиуслее спеекс инглиш то сом хтент.:spin:

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ат лееист 95%, еехи обвиуслееи спееикс инглиш то соам хэкстент.:spin:

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Лёрн ту цирнглишь! 8-)

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Лёрн ту цирнглишь! 8-)

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Йеа, ай диднт андестэнд э синг.

Лет хим спик фром хиз харт, чего пристали к человеку? Все правильно сделал.

I don't agree with the status of English as an international langauge at all. I think the world language should be a "neutral" language that belongs to no country, religion or political idea, and is extremely easy to learn. English is illogical in many ways and hard to pronounce for lots of people. It is associated with the USA (or Britain) in the past, and the political and economic goals of these countries.

I happen to speak English fluently, and it is very useful, but the idea that everyone in the world who is in an important position has some kind of obligation to learn to speak English, irritates me.

For that reason I would never critisize, or make fun of anyones English accent. I had no problem understanding the speech.

It takes a LONG time, and hard work to learn to speak accent-less English, or even grammatically perfect English.
Why should some people have to dedicate years of study on this, and then be laughed at?

When are we going to hear a minister in the US government (or British) deliver a decent length speech in a world language such as French, Spanish, Russian or Chinese?

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I think the world language should be a "neutral" language that belongs to no country, religion or political idea, and is extremely easy to learn. English is illogical in many ways and hard to pronounce for lots of people.

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I agree with you. There is a problem that the difficulty of artificial languages strongly depends on one's mother tounge. For example, Esperanto is easy for speakers of Indo-European languages, but it is still difficut for a Chinese. Phonology of such languages is an extremely difficult issue.
I asked about Mutko's speech because I wanted to understand how accent influences the comprehension.

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When are we going to hear a minister in the US government (or British) deliver a decent length speech in a world language such as French, Spanish, Russian or Chinese?

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It's going to be in C++ perhaps :) This is a truly international language.

The undeniable lack of Esperanto is the lack of natural (or native) literature and poetry or any expression of art which can transfer the idea of this art to native speakers of all other languages. While C++ has tons of texts, which are understandable for the people all over the world. Some examples of code are really the pieces of art. So C++ is the real candidate for the universal language :)

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... C++ has tons of texts, which are understandable for the people all over the world. Some examples of code are really the pieces of art. So C++ is the real candidate for the universal language :)

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I suspect you are a fluent speaker, and therefore biased!

But actually, I read that someone made a language that contains a proportion of grammar and similarities to reflect the population of the world.... So it had lots of Chinese and Indian type words in it, obviously.
I do think Esperanto is nice and I like the "ideology" of Esperanto too.
(but I don't actually know the language... does anyone here speak it?)

I don't speake it, but I have read a textbook, so I know the principles of Esperanto. After reading lessons I could understand texts and saw that the language is really easy, so it is, probably, a good choice for Europe.

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The undeniable lack of Esperanto is the lack of natural (or native) literature and poetry or any expression of art which can transfer the idea of this art to native speakers of all other languages. While C++ has tons of texts, which are understandable for the people all over the world. Some examples of code are really the pieces of art. So C++ is the real candidate for the universal language :)

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Esperanto::Esperanto() {
  char* dest=(char*) self;
  idLang Lang=idEnglish;
  while(dest-(char*)self<=sizeof(self*)) {
    dest++*=(((char*)&::Languages[Lang])+rand()%sizeof(Languages[Lang]))*;
    if (++Lang>idChinese) Lang=idEnglish;
  }
  for(int i=0; i<nRules; i++) if (GrammarRules[i]->Size>3) GrammarRules[i]=NULL;
}

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Ah, Marcus - I meant C++ ( I was guessing that you are a programmer...)

Anyway - yes, well in C++ you cannot lie, you cannot make mistakes and you would be speaking very fast and efficiently.... !

Funny code it-ogo!

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Esperanto::Esperanto() {
  char* dest=(char*) this;
  idLang Lang=idEnglish;
  while(dest-(char*)this<=sizeof(*this)) {
    *dest++*= *(((char*)&::Languages[Lang])+rand()%sizeof(Languages[Lang]));
    if ((Lang = (idLang)((int)Lang + 1)) > idChinese) Lang=idEnglish;
  }
  for(int i=0; i<nRules; i++) if (GrammarRules[i]->Size>3) GrammarRules[i]=NULL;
}

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A few corrections...

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A few corrections...

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#define self this
idLang operator ++(idLang &, int);

//etc...

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:D

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#define self this
idLang operator ++(idLang &, int);

//etc...

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:D

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Ok... then:

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Esperanto::Esperanto() {
  char* dest=(char*) self;
  idLang Lang=idEnglish;
  while(dest-(char*)self<=sizeof(*self)) {
    *dest++*= *(((char*)&::Languages[Lang])+rand()%sizeof(Languages[Lang]));
    if (++Lang > idChinese) Lang=idEnglish;
  }
  for(int i=0; i<nRules; i++) if (GrammarRules[i]->Size>3) GrammarRules[i]=NULL;
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But:

1. No code like "this*", in this case macros won't let you get away with a syntax error.
2. No code like "<pointer_name>*" when dereferencing the pointer. That's just wrong and gives you a syntax error as well.
3. It's generally recommended you define return types of such overloaded operators as "<class_name>&", ie:

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That allows you to avoid an unnecessary (and potentially expensive) call of the copy constructor.

Ви ар спикинг фром аувер харт.

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Ok... then:
1.
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Agreed. Mea culpa.

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3. It's generally recommended you define return types of such overloaded operators as "<class_name>&", ie:

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That allows you to avoid an unnecessary (and potentially expensive) call of the copy constructor.

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Hmmm... Actually I meant that idLang is enum rather than class. Otherwise we should invent something very special for "Languages[Lang]".

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Hmmm... Actually I meant that idLang is enum rather than class.

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I see. Then it's quite ok.

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Otherwise we should invent something very special for "Languages[Lang]"

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Like "operator int()"? ;)

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#define self this
2. No code like "<pointer_name>*" when dereferencing the pointer. That's just wrong and gives you a syntax error as well.

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Just a heavy Borlandian Pascal accent :D

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Like "operator int()"?

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const LanClass operator[](idLang)
:dunno:

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Just a heavy Borlandian Pascal accent :D

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Yep. Severe childhood, cast-iron toys...

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const LanClass operator[](idLang)

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That fits here as well. Right. (but again, consider using "const LanClass& operator[](const idLang&)")

What I meant was something like

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What I meant was something like

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I see.

That's why I like C much more than C++. C is a direct action while C++ is some abstract derivative. Syntax. It is like real sector vs finances in economy.

So I vote against C++ as a world language. One can see that when I made a meaningful statement in C++ (criticizing Esperanto) nobody cared about the meaning, but the syntax caused a discussion. C++ is a language of fruitless sophisms and empty forms!

I propose C as a world language.

P.S. "void main" is a poetry.