Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by JJ
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Originally Posted by scotcher
You'll have to forgive us, it's all the linguistic propaganda we are subjected to from birth. It's part of a great conspiracy to make the relationship between several slavic languages and dialects appear very slightly different from what is actually the case.
Scotcher, your irony is out of place here. You cannot see the whole picture, becouse of your weak knowlage of Russian language and culture. What would you say if anyone from Honduras tried to discuss about the English influence into the Gaelic and classifide English you speak in the North like a diffrent language which came from Erin?
Calm down, dont you think it is not in your competence?
Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.
I have never studied the history of the English language. If a foreigner has done, then he/she will know more about it than me. Just because I am a native English speaker doesn't make me an expert on the history of the English language.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by Remyisme
Learn Russian as it is spoken, TATY.
Learn idioms, Remyisme - it's Russian as she is spoke (sic!).
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by JJ
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Originally Posted by scotcher
You'll have to forgive us, it's all the linguistic propaganda we are subjected to from birth. It's part of a great conspiracy to make the relationship between several slavic languages and dialects appear very slightly different from what is actually the case.
Scotcher, your irony is out of place here. You cannot see the whole picture, becouse of your weak knowlage of Russian language and culture. What would you say if anyone from Honduras tried to discuss about the English influence into the Gaelic and classifide English you speak in the North like a diffrent language which came from Erin?
Calm down, dont you think it is not in your competence?
The irony is not out of place -- one does not need to know anything about Russian language to see the idea that Britons are somehow being brainwashed into believing some theory -- any theory -- on the genesis of Slavic languages as rather ridiculous :)
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by TATY
Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.
True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
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Originally Posted by TATY
Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.
True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Using similar logic, since you don't know anything about Ukrainian (unlike me or TATY), it just proves that you and JJ are (as always btw) speaking out of your ***.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
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Originally Posted by TATY
Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.
True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.
My word list was in response to a link posted by JJ, in which someone had selected Ukrainian words which matched Polish words. I was merely highlighting that there are Russian words which also match Polish words, and that doesn't mean they were artificially inserted into the language for political gain.
And what's the rubbish laugh for?
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by laxxy
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
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Originally Posted by TATY
Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.
True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Using similar logic, since you don't know anything about Ukrainian (unlike me or TATY), it just proves that you and JJ are (as always btw) speaking out of your ***.
But Laxxy Ukraine doesn't exist, it's actually a part of Russia. "Ukraine" was invented by Hitler, the Jews, Lenin and J.R.R.Tolkein.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by laxxy
Using similar logic, since you don't know anything about Ukrainian (unlike me or TATY), it just proves that you and JJ are (as always btw) speaking out of your ***.
I have a hundred relatives who are khohly - in Ukrain and here in the Urals. :)
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by TATY
... "Ukraine" was invented by Hitler, the Jews, Lenin and J.R.R.Tolkein.
А евреи-то тут причём? :lol:
"Если в кране нет воды, значит, выпили ...."
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by TATY
I know these words exist
Yeah, that's all you know. Thing is, not only do these words exist, but they are also used by us and, unfortunately for you, not in the meanings and contexts that you think they are used in. Mwa-ha-ha-ha.
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In fact it only supports my arguement, by showing how OLD roots are preserved in Russian in places, but newer words have replaced them in most cases.
So far all the examples have been incorrect because you've misrepresented the Russian usage.
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The fact is, Ukrainian is a LANGUAGE, it's not a dialect of Russian.
And no one says it is. Ukranian, Russian and Belorussian are dialects of one common language of our common forefathers.
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Dialects are mutually intelligle.
That's what you think, linguists beg to differ. Take Chinese dialects or Bavarian and Plattdeutsch, etc. Take some of our Russian dialects - my native dialect from rural North-Western Russia and that of the town of Kursk - you wouldn't understand sh*t if I greeted you in my native dialect - такамо запрано на ыкшамло - what did I just say? It's not intelligible to those not familiar with this dialect, yet it's not different enough to be considered a different language, it's still Russian. I could go on, but it is clear that you're talking through your hat.
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If a Ukrainian who has never been taught Russian, and a Russian who knows no Ukrainian have a conversation, they won't be able to fully understand each other. Yes bits will be understandable. In writing it is a lot easier to understand. But there will still be words, phrases that render most of the sentences non-intelligle.
I personally witnessed an American TV presenter interviewing a bunch of fishermen from a Scottish village - he had absolutely no clue what they were saying to him yet it was English.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
I personally witnessed an American TV presenter interviewing a bunch of fishermen from a Scottish village - he had absolutely no clue what they were saying to him yet it was English.
Really? And those people teach us dont pick in ours noses? :D
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by JJ
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
I personally witnessed an American TV presenter interviewing a bunch of fishermen from a Scottish village - he had absolutely no clue what they were saying to him yet it was English.
Really? And those people teach us dont pick in ours noses? :D
Yes, JJ, they've got a nerve. Thing is, rural Scots can be very different from General American and the Holywood version of "Scots" they speak in Braveheart.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
And no one says it is. Ukranian, Russian and Belorussian are dialects of one common language of our common forefathers.
Well, in the same way French, Spanish, Romanian and Italian are dialects of Latin, perhaps so.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by laxxy
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
And no one says it is. Ukranian, Russian and Belorussian are dialects of one common language of our common forefathers.
Well, in the same way French, Spanish, Romanian and Italian are dialects of Latin, perhaps so.
Speakers of Romanian will not understand speakers of Spanish. With Russian and Ukranian it's a different story - I watch movies dubbed into Ukranian and I can easily follow most of the conversations (I fail to understand only about 5%).
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
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Originally Posted by laxxy
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
And no one says it is. Ukranian, Russian and Belorussian are dialects of one common language of our common forefathers.
Well, in the same way French, Spanish, Romanian and Italian are dialects of Latin, perhaps so.
Speakers of Romanian will not understand speakers of Spanish. With Russian and Ukranian it's a different story - I watch movies dubbed into Ukranian and I can easily follow most of the conversations (I fail to understand only about 5%).
It depends on the content -- e.g. most Russians who have never lived in Ukraine have trouble understanding Ukrainian news on TV. On the person too -- e.g. written Polish has always been 95% transparent to me (and spoken Polish too, after a little adjustment) just because I speak Russian and Ukranian. But there are people who speak both languages and can not read Polish. And of course on the variety of Ukrainian spoken.
But there are many languages that are mutually intelligible, and many dialects that are not (although it does seem that the tendency now is towards calling them languages too in that case, e.g. you don't see many people referring to Cantonese as a dialect any more).
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
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Originally Posted by laxxy
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
And no one says it is. Ukranian, Russian and Belorussian are dialects of one common language of our common forefathers.
Well, in the same way French, Spanish, Romanian and Italian are dialects of Latin, perhaps so.
Speakers of Romanian will not understand speakers of Spanish. With Russian and Ukranian it's a different story - I watch movies dubbed into Ukranian and I can easily follow most of the conversations (I fail to understand only about 5%).
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by laxxy
It depends on the content -- e.g. most Russians who have never lived in Ukraine have trouble understanding Ukrainian news on TV. On the person too -- e.g. written Polish has always been 95% transparent to me (and spoken Polish too, after a little adjustment) just because I speak Russian and Ukranian. But there are people who speak both languages and can not read Polish. And of course on the variety of Ukrainian spoken.
it's a common misbelief here in Poland that they would understand all of the Slavonic languages: Russian, Czech, Ukrainian and what not. Once they are confronted though, they change their mind quicker than one would think :lol:
As for considering Ukrainian language as a dialect of Russian, thinking by this token, each and every single language would be a dialect of the other ;) after all, they all derived from mixing different languages together due to some historical background, eg being under the influence of Germans/English/Russians or any other nation.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by kamka
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Originally Posted by laxxy
It depends on the content -- e.g. most Russians who have never lived in Ukraine have trouble understanding Ukrainian news on TV. On the person too -- e.g. written Polish has always been 95% transparent to me (and spoken Polish too, after a little adjustment) just because I speak Russian and Ukranian. But there are people who speak both languages and can not read Polish. And of course on the variety of Ukrainian spoken.
it's a common misbelief here in Poland that they would understand all of the Slavonic languages: Russian, Czech, Ukrainian and what not. Once they are confronted though, they change their mind quicker than one would think :lol:
True. I think if I knew only one language -- Russian, or Polish, or Ukrainian, it would be a lot harder to understand the others; but once you know two you can really see through a lot of words, not 100%, but a lot. In written materials, of course, speech is quite another matter.
Slovak seems to be the one language that is closest to the center of the distribution though: Ukrainians, Poles and Czechs all (mostly) consider it quite transparent -- much unlike the other two languages :)
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As for considering Ukrainian language as a dialect of Russian, thinking by this token, each and every single language would be a dialect of the other ;) after all, they all derived from mixing different languages together due to some historical background, eg being under the influence of Germans/English/Russians or any other nation.
yes.
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
Russian: мястечко (=small town)
Увы, в русский язык это слово пришло всвязи присоединением белорусских и украинских земель. Так что это в русском языке белоруссизм/полонизм. Вы где-нибудь в Сибири или на севере "местечко" видели?
Re: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?
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Originally Posted by Wowik
Вы где-нибудь в Сибири или на севере "местечко" видели?
Не только видел я местечко "на севере", я еще и сам оттуда :-). У нас маленький город - это именно "мЯстеТко" (произносим со звуком "я" и такой вот как бы средний между "ч" и "т" звук).