Russian Adoption

So here's the thing, my wife and I want to have another child but she wants to adopt this time. I want to adopt from my home country and she does also but we can't seem to find a Russian adoption agency that has any available adoptions. I've called my mother and grandparents in Moscow to see if they know of any and neither of them know of one around them. My grandmother doesn't like the idea of adopting a child, she believes that the child should be of my own blood so she wouldn't tell me if she did know. My mother and father don't care as long as I'm adopting a Russian child. I'm hoping to find a little girl and I'm going to name Her Svetlana Aleksandra, After my mother and grandmother. So getting back on topic, does anyone know of adoption agencies? (Travel is not a problem).

I am sure you can easily find something if you use google or yandex. However I think you should be very careful about this.
It's clearly a sensitive issue in Russia. Little babies are being adopted to a former enemy country and in some cases treated very poorly.
It seems Russia is beginning to rethink foreign adoptions. Also, it is very expensive to adopt so you had best start saving!

There were several awful cases of Russian children who was adopted by American citizens ending up dead (in many cases it was due to neglegence and once the child was beaten to death). One 'mother' simply put the adopted child on the plane and sent him (or her - I don't remember) back to Russia with a note.
So there are very strict rules of adoption right now. In fact, an adopted child would keep its Russian citizenship till he (or she) is 18 years old (by the agreement signed just recently by our presidents). There will be many checks and you'll need a lot of proofs that you won't mistreat the child and generally - prepare to go through a bureaucratic hell. The adoption agencies are looking with suspicion at every new potential parent. Especially when they happen to be Americans.
Still, I don't know if it is such a big problem to find the agency because just one search on Google revealed this.

Nevertheless, I advise you to come here, to Russia and go looking not through the agency but through numerous orphans' houses here, in Russia. If you CAN travel here I think that in the end it might save you the money you would pay to an agency.

Well my wife and I would LIKE to move BACK to Russia eventually. We want to get out of here before things get worse and we lose everything we've worked for here. But my family is in Russia and is most of hers. So i'm thinking that I should just wait to adopt a child untill the move is final and we are settled back in Moscow. Does that sound like a good idea? My wife does NOT like that idea because she wants a baby NOW.

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Originally Posted by Slavsia.rus

Well my wife and I would LIKE to move BACK to Russia eventually. We want to get out of here before things get worse and we lose everything we've worked for here.

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:lol: While some people I know want to pack and move to US 'before things get worse and they lose everything they've worked for here', some people want the opposite. Isn't it odd? What interesting times we were privileged to live in! :) No, my sarcasm here is only partial.
Come on then, come here, to Moscow, and try to ride these times through in Russia.

No, seriously, is it THAT bad?

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Originally Posted by Ramil

:lol: While some people I know want to pack and move to US 'before things get worse and they lose everything they've worked for here', some people want the opposite. Isn't it odd? What interesting times we were privileged to live in! :)

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The grass is always greener on the other side.;)

Где нас нет
Леонид Радзиховский "Эхо Москвы"

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Погромы в Англии…
Если бы такое же проявление гражданского общества (без всяких кавычек – это же британские граждане организовались сами. Или все-таки в Лондоне - рука ФСБ?) имело место в России – что бы мы читали и слыхали в СМИ? И про вековую отсталость, и про «бессмысленный и беспощадный», и про свирепую, но бессильную полицейскую власть, и про русских нацистов, и про кавказских дикарей. И про гибнущую окончательно Россию…
И крики: «Все, хватит! Балеты долго я терпел, но вот – билеты заимел! В Европу, немедленно в цивилизованную Европу, которая с брезгливым ужасом глядит на это чисто русское свинство! Прощай, немытая Россия!».

Кризис экономики.
Одна волна сменить другую спешит, дав ночи полчаса.

Если бы после 1998 прошло 2 года робкого «восстановления» и Россию снова тряхануло бы так, что зубы из индексов полетели, что бы мы читали и слыхали в СМИ?
И про безудержное воровство кооператива «Озеро», и про тупиковую сырьевую модель, и про бездарных министров, и понтующихся олигархов. И про общий крах ВСЕЙ СИСТЕМЫ.
И вывод: «Все, хватит! Не сам спасусь, хоть детей вытащу из этого безнадежного болота. В США, в мощную, динамичную, производящую страну, с ее здоровой конкурентной экономикой! В США, которые с брезгливым ужасом глядят на эту страну! Прощай, немытая Россия!».

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Originally Posted by Ramil

:lol: While some people I know want to pack and move to US 'before things get worse and they lose everything they've worked for here', some people want the opposite. Isn't it odd? What interesting times we were privileged to live in! :) No, my sarcasm here is only partial.
Come on then, come here, to Moscow, and try to ride these times through in Russia.

No, seriously, is it THAT bad?

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Actually I think that in a longer perspective things will get better in Russia and worse in the US.
I think the US will become even more a country of brutal class divides. Lord knows what way the EU will go, probably down more than up...
The worst things about Russia seems to me to be the state of housing, and corruption (?)

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Originally Posted by Hanna

Actually I think that in a longer perspective things will get better in Russia and worse in the US.
I think the US will become even more a country of brutal class divides. Lord knows what way the EU will go, probably down more than up...
The worst things about Russia seems to me to be the state of housing, and corruption (?)

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Leftists from around the world have been predicting soon crash of the US economy for a century already. The US just look at their efforts with a condescending smile.

No, I don't think that US is on the brink of economic disaster. They'll survive, probably ruining all other economies in the process, but they will be the last to fall. It's just I'm mentally unprepared for living in the US. I would rather go to New Zealand or Australia.

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Originally Posted by Eric C.

Leftists from around the world have been predicting soon crash of the US economy for a century already. The US just look at their efforts with a condescending smile.

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And how do you know that? You are not American!

I don't KNOW, but I would guess that most sensible Americans are a bit concerned about the state of their country at the moment. They are up to their heads in wars, class divides growing, immigration issues, foreign debt, housing crisis and a continuously weakening dollar.
If they maintain a "condescending smile" despite all that, then they would be rather stupid and deserve what's coming. I don't think most normal Americans are that arrogant. A sensible person would try to understand where things went wrong and start correcting them. If the US doesn't do that, they it deserves to be knocked off the top spot by China (which I definitely don't like any better than the USA.)

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Originally Posted by Hanna

And how do you know that? You are not American!

I don't KNOW, but I would guess that most sensible Americans are a bit concerned about the state of their country at the moment. They are up to their heads in wars, class divides growing, immigration issues, foreign debt, housing crisis and a continuously weakening dollar.
If they maintain a "condescending smile" despite all that, then they would be rather stupid and deserve what's coming. I don't think most normal Americans are that arrogant. A sensible person would try to understand where things went wrong and start correcting them. If the US doesn't do that, they it deserves to be knocked off the top spot by China (which I definitely don't like any better than the USA.)

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Hanna, for what it's worth, I agree with you.

I'm going to generalize here, and of course all generalizations are inherently flawed. But that being said, I see two types of Americans recently: 1st, those who are thoroughly convinced in America's destiny to "come out on top" of any situation [(which is I think a concoction of 1 part post-depression-era "optimism-or-death", and 1 part "purposely-poorly-explained-in-school-concept-of<<manifest-destiny>>")], and 2nd, those who are suspicious that it will take a lot more effort than we're currently applying to make the situation better.. I'd like to say I'm of the second type - the foreign debt thing is particularly poignant this month... it's hard to avoid all of these things in the name of maintaining a chaste sense of patriotism. =)

That said - I know nothing about the topic of adoption, at hand

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Originally Posted by Ramil

:lol: While some people I know want to pack and move to US 'before things get worse and they lose everything they've worked for here', some people want the opposite. Isn't it odd? What interesting times we were privileged to live in! :) No, my sarcasm here is only partial.
Come on then, come here, to Moscow, and try to ride these times through in Russia.

No, seriously, is it THAT bad?

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Well, I'm not sure I'm the best thinker in this group (LOL, rather sure I'm *not* ). But I certainly would move from US to Russia. I've been looking into a way to move to Russia for a little while now. If a viable pathway comes into my reach, I'm taking it.

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Originally Posted by kidkboom

Well, I'm not sure I'm the best thinker in this group (LOL, rather sure I'm *not* ). But I certainly would move from US to Russia. I've been looking into a way to move to Russia for a little while now. If a viable pathway comes into my reach, I'm taking it.

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You're ruining my perception of the reality right now, you know that? :lol:

Well, I might be a bit one-sided here in my vision of the current world's state, but I learn a lot from the history. Every great power develops in a 'life-cycle'. It raises, it becomes powerful and then it collapses. I've never learned things to be otherwise throughout the whole history of mankind. And it's not some foreign or competitive power that usually brings down empires. It's their own population. When someone starts thinking that nothing bad can happen he's in trouble. I think that the modern USA has been living in this 'state of mind' for quite a long time already. No, I wish you all the luck in the world, but I couldn't think of anything that can help US to continue its way of living. Changes are imminent, it's just a matter of time.

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Originally Posted by Ramil

You're ruining my perception of the reality right now, you know that? :lol:

Well, I might be a bit one-sided here in my vision of the current world's state, but I learn a lot from the history. Every great power develops in a 'life-cycle'. It raises, it becomes powerful and then it collapses. I've never learned things to be otherwise throughout the whole history of mankind. And it's not some foreign or competitive power that usually brings down empires. It's their own population. When someone starts thinking that nothing bad can happen he's in trouble. I think that the modern USA has been living in this 'state of mind' for quite a long time already. No, I wish you all the luck in the world, but I couldn't think of anything that can help US to continue its way of living. Changes are imminent, it's just a matter of time.

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Speaking as a programmer, you don't think everything is always going to be ok, but you don't care about it too much as long as you know there are exception handlers in your code for different kinds of sh*t, and if something goes wrong they'll manage to handle the situation. So, the only thing you should care about is your exception handlers being up to date and able to handle the kinds of sh*t they're meant to.

Honestly speaking, there are not many KINDS of sh*t that could happen to a country, and I think the US "exception handlers" are working well for now.

I'm a bit sorry for this parallel, but I assumed you were gonna get me right.

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Originally Posted by Hanna

And how do you know that? You are not American!

I don't KNOW, but I would guess that most sensible Americans are a bit concerned about the state of their country at the moment. They are up to their heads in wars, class divides growing, immigration issues, foreign debt, housing crisis and a continuously weakening dollar.
If they maintain a "condescending smile" despite all that, then they would be rather stupid and deserve what's coming. I don't think most normal Americans are that arrogant. A sensible person would try to understand where things went wrong and start correcting them. If the US doesn't do that, they it deserves to be knocked off the top spot by China (which I definitely don't like any better than the USA.)

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How do you know I'm not American? What do you ever know about me?

Do you really think dollar is out of control in its weakening? =)

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Originally Posted by Eric C.

I'm a bit sorry for this parallel, but I assumed you were gonna get me right.

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Speaking in programmer terms, US as an app has accumulated many memory leaks and now the heap is nearly full of interlocked objects. You'll soon need to terminate and debug it. Or even reboot the whole system.

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Originally Posted by Eric C.

How do you know I'm not American? What do you ever know about me?

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Come on, everyone here knows already that you are definitely NOT an American. Not even a native English speaker. You make those lapses now and then a native would not make. Personally, I think you're a native Russian troll ;) I even suspect I knew you before by a different nick.

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Originally Posted by Ramil

Speaking in programmer terms, US as an app has accumulated many memory leaks and now the heap is nearly full of interlocked objects. You'll soon need to terminate and debug it. Or even reboot the whole system.

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I think, when the app attempts to allocate another portion of memory, and runs across lack of free memory, the exception handler for this kind of thing will just run another process, copy the image into its address space, copy some critical information from the address space of the process having trouble, and the whole thing will start again. If there are some problems with system resources in general, the handler can always terminate a few other processes to get the resources it needs. It does have all the required privileges to do that.

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Originally Posted by Eric C.

I think, when the app attempts to allocate another portion of memory, and runs across lack of free memory, the exception handler for this kind of thing will just run another process, copy the image into its address space, copy some critical information from the address space of the process having trouble, and the whole thing will start again. If there are some problems with system resources in general, the handler can always terminate a few other processes to get the resources it needs. It does have all the required privileges to do that.

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Some questions:
1) As a programmer, do YOU always include exception handlers for the 'out of memory' error? Do you make them so sophisticated that they even try to terminate other processes? Do you handle 'access denied' errors within your 'out of memory' exception handler when it tries to terminate something? :lol: And how terminating other processes will help you in getting more virtual address space for your particular application?
2) Ever heard of interlocked (cross-referenced) resources with no accessible valid handlers?

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Originally Posted by Ramil

Offtopic mode
Some questions:
1) As a programmer, do YOU always include exception handlers for the 'out of memory' error? Do you make them so sophisticated that they even try to terminate other processes? Do you handle 'access denied' errors within your 'out of memory' exception handler when it tries to terminate something? :lol: And how terminating other processes will help you in getting more virtual address space for your particular application?
2) Ever heard of interlocked (cross-referenced) resources with no accessible valid handlers?

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1. Speaking about me, I don't ALWAYS do that. But technically it's absolutely real, and not as difficult and sophisticated as you may think. "Access denied" can be handled locally, without an exception handler for that; in addition, ever heard of such things as OS kernel, drivers, R0? If so, you must not have any questions on the further.

2. Specify the kind of resources.

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Originally Posted by Eric C.

1. Speaking about me, I don't ALWAYS do that. But technically it's absolutely real, and not as difficult and sophisticated as you may think. "Access denied" can be handled locally, without an exception handler for that; in addition, ever heard of such things as OS kernel, drivers, R0? If so, you must not have any questions on the further.

2. Specify the kind of resources.

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OS Kernel (what is it, by the way in your analogy?) would either terminate the buggy application or do nothing. It won't help the USA.exe to start working normally.
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COM object A has a reference to COM object B while COM object B has a reference to COM object A. No external references remain. A COM object is released when its reference counter is zero. Since object A still has at least 1 valid reference as well as object B, their reference counters cannot be zeroed. The memory won't be released until the system restarts. That IS called a memory leak. Fairly common among inexperienced programmers. And you cannot clear that memory because OS kernel won't let you. General protection fault on early systems or access denied on newer ones is guaranteed.

Back to the first off-topic. What makes you think that the USA 'developers' had put all these exception handlers before they compiled the whole stuff? What I saw in the past several weeks was more like 'dirty hacking' than even debugging.

I'd rather take my chances in Russia, in Moscow. Where i grew up. I don't really care whats going on. We'll get through it.

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Originally Posted by Slavsia.rus

I'd rather take my chances in Russia, in Moscow. Where i grew up. I don't really care whats going on. We'll get through it.

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Welcome back :) Sorry for the off-topic.

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Originally Posted by Ramil

OS Kernel (what is it, by the way in your analogy?) would either terminate the buggy application or do nothing. It won't help the USA.exe to start working normally.
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COM object A has a reference to COM object B while COM object B has a reference to COM object A. No external references remain. A COM object is released when its reference counter is zero. Since object A still has at least 1 valid reference as well as object B, their reference counters cannot be zeroed. The memory won't be released until the system restarts. That IS called a memory leak. Fairly common among inexperienced programmers. And you cannot clear that memory because OS kernel won't let you. General protection fault on early systems or access denied on newer ones is guaranteed.

Back to the first off-topic. What makes you think that the USA 'developers' had put all these exception handlers before they compiled the whole stuff? What I saw in the past several weeks was more like 'dirty hacking' than even debugging.

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1. I meant you could run your code at the same privilege level as the kernel, and use kernel functions as well as accessing kernel objects directly. Then you usually have no problems with doing whatever you wish to any processes, etc.

2. As you might have noticed, I've been talking about a bit more low-level programming than COM programming. After all, you can always tell the OS a certain range of memory is to be freed.

Then, well, speaking in terms of COM programming, such memory leaks do really look lame. But what makes you think the developers are so unexperienced? And why do you think they would use COM model?

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Originally Posted by Ramil

Speaking in programmer terms, US as an app has accumulated many memory leaks and now the heap is nearly full of interlocked objects. You'll soon need to terminate and debug it. Or even reboot the whole system.

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LOLOL i read this thread from work, was gonna go home and type.. pretty much what you said =))

The ridiculous foreign debt is like a giant memory leak, and so far we've already dished out all RAM access and most of the virtual memory ... =\ Where do we get 2/3x our countries' worth to pay back to foreign debtors? <checks wallet> :upset:

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Originally Posted by kidkboom

LOLOL i read this thread from work, was gonna go home and type.. pretty much what you said =))

The ridiculous foreign debt is like a giant memory leak, and so far we've already dished out all RAM access and most of the virtual memory ... =\ Where do we get 2/3x our countries' worth to pay back to foreign debtors? <checks wallet> :upset:

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The FRS will print some, I'm sure :lol:

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Originally Posted by Eric C.

After all, you can always tell the OS a certain range of memory is to be freed.

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Sure, things like social security, pensions, aids etc. I'm sure they will.

I think it's tragic, what's happened to the USA. It used to stand for a model that was perhaps not for everyone, but basically a decent country where people could come, work hard and start a new life, practice whatever religion or ideals they choose. (with the exception of black people perhaps, but it's unfair to bring that up now...)
America used to mind it's own business. But after the WW2, things have just gone downhill, it seems to me.

I think in the mind of many Americans it's still that righteous country that it used to be, but in reality, for people who are a bit more objective it's becoming more unpleasant each year. Starting with things like McCarthy, Vietnam, all the dodgy dealings in South & Central America, lack of interest in protecting the environment, the wars in the middle east, dodgy financial deals and serious meddling in just about every country on earth. The US is now run more or less by banks and big corporations, and the general idea they are trying to "sell" is that what's good for banking and the corporations is good for everyone in the country. Clearly not true. The greed of these organisations has killed just about everything good that the US once stood for. Sadly many Americans are too busy working their butts of with practically no holiday and too poorly educated by the school system there to even realise. The presidents mostly seem to be puppets in the hands of interests stronger and more influential than themselves.

If I was going to move somewhere to start a new life, I'd consider Canada or Australia but not the US because I honestly don't see how it can continue much longer on the road that it's currently on.

But there are some parts of the US that seem really charming and interesting, that I'd really love to visit some day. I am particularly fascinated by Alaska, Appalachia and Idaho! The last places on earth I'd like to visit would be LA and Las Vegas after what I've read about them. And I have met many very nice, very genuine Americans so I think it's a real shame what's happening.

I am not speaking from any high horse position either, looking at my own country it's very clear that it's gone off the track quite badly over the last couple of decades, although in a different way than the US, and of course, it's not affecting the rest of the world. Only China seems to be undoubtedly getting better.

It is fine. I appreciate your input.

If I'm not mistaken adoption of Russian children is tricky for foreign people. The worst part is - foreigners cannot legally adopt healthy Russian child, meaning they can only adopt a child with some health or mental problems
Obviously all this leads to illegal adoption

I will find a way. When we move back it will be easier.

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Originally Posted by Slavsia.rus

I will find a way. When we move back it will be easier.

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How is your Russian? A bit rusty? I noticed that you seem to prefer to write in English... I am in the process of moving back to my country and it's not completely easy to get back into the language when you've been away for a long time. Particularly technology and slang vocabulary has changed.

My Russian is fine. I like to write in English. Why? But yes the Russian slang has changed a bit I don't quite understand these kids.