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    Learning by listening to music?

    I have been listening to Russian music and so far it seems to have really helped my listening skills and I learned a few words here and there.I am wondering is there anything I should watch out for since I am a beginner and a self learner?

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    Hi Badwolf.
    I'm a beginner and self lerner too. I recently got into Vladimir Vysosky's music and after learning what the song is about in English I try and sing along in Russian while following the Russian words at the same time. It seems to help. Aside from likeing Vysosky I find his diction is pretty clear so easy to follow. So I guess the best thing to do is just keep looking for songs you like with clear diction.
    I've been told listening to Russian films is helpful too, but I have trouble finding them myself.
    Good luck.
    More madness than method but it works for me.

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    I think that watching films in the original language with subtitles is a PERFECT way to learn the language! At least for me. I *love* to watch French or Italian or German films with Russian subtitles! It really helps!

    One can find many Russian films with English subtitles in the Internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    I think that watching films in the original language with subtitles is a PERFECT way to learn the language! At least for me. I *love* watching French or Italian or German films with Russian subtitles! It really helps!

    One can find many Russian films with English subtitles on the Internet.
    Wow, Оля, your English is really improving!

    Oh, and I agree. Just try to focus on what they are saying and then read the subtitles, otherwise you end up not paying attention to the voice and just read the subtitles. At least that is what I do
    Hei, rett norsken min og du er død.
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    I agree, movies are a great way to learn

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    I originally fell in love with Russian by listening to modern Russian music. However, for a long time it was merely the aesthetic sound of the language - I didn't care so much what they were saying, or the grammar behind it.

    That came later.

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    Yeah I got this movie called Lilya- 4 ever and Volkodav Its not easy to find russian movies by me, I live in a polish neighborhood so everything is mostly in polish, Volkodav in russian but subtitled in polish, lilya for ever is better because it is in russian and subtitled in english but the only problem is that its so sad! the movie is so depressssinnnnngI dont know if anyone has heard of it but its pretty heartbreaking. My favorite song right now is : http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=azD9xJM_Gvg

    Also what helps with reading is putting sites like youtube or google in russian so that way you practice

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    Quote Originally Posted by *Krysten*
    Its not easy to find russian movies by me...
    Don't understand why is that such a problem
    Use torrents.ru There is a great amount of them by corsairs
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    Importance of Listening (& Singing?) in Language Learning (in addition to other work)


    Why Listening is SO Important – Even If You Don’t Understand a Word!



    by Andrew


    " ... Y-E-S, listening to TV shows, songs, and radio broadcasts in the language you’re trying to learn is enormously helpful to you learning the language regardless of how much of it you understand – if you can understand most of it but miss the occasional word, great, just note it and look it up later, if you only understand 1 in 100 words where that 1 is an English cognate, then that’s fine, too and you don’t even need to worry about looking up words at that point: you know why? Because if you keep listening to this stuff long enough (you’ll notice progress after just a few hours worth of listening!) then you’ll rapidly make progress in understanding what’s being said, and that’s presuming that you’re not ever using a dictionary or anything else to look up unknown words. From the article:

    Dr Sulzberger has found that the best way to learn a language is through frequent exposure to its sound patterns—even if you haven’t a clue what it all means.
    “However crazy it might sound, just listening to the language, even though you don’t understand it, is critical. A lot of language teachers may not accept that,” he says.
    “Our ability to learn new words is directly related to how often we have been exposed to the particular combinations of the sounds which make up the words. If you want to learn Spanish, for example, frequently listening to a Spanish language radio station on the internet will dramatically boost your ability to pick up the language and learn new words.”

    I think the specific noises and patterns of a language and learning them (which can only really be done by a large volume of repeated exposure to the language) is something critically important that’s often overlooked by people. You need to get used to, to learn, the tempo, beat, the rhythm and vibe of a language–I’m sorry that doesn’t sound very concrete, but it’s the best way I can explain it. Every language has its own unique rhythm and pattern to it, and if you’re not used to it, no matter how many words you’ve memorized ... you’re not going to be able to understand the language when it’s spoken at a normal conversational rate of speed even if you know every single individual word used (that is, a sentence spoken to you at a conversational rate of speed will not be understandable by you even if you know every single word in that sentence). ... "

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    "Teachers should recognise the importance of extensive aural exposure to a language. One hour a day of studying French text in a classroom is not enough—but an extra hour listening to it on the iPod would make a huge difference," Dr Sulzberger says.

    "Language is a skill, it's not like learning a fact. If you want to be a weight lifter, you've got to develop the muscle - you can't learn weightlifting from a book. To learn a language you have to grow the appropriate brain tissue, and you do this by lots of listening—songs and movies are great!"

    Read more at: New study may revolutionize language learning

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    7 reasons why you should sing to learn languages | Fluent in 3 months - Language Hacking and Travel Tips


    "7 reasons why you should sing to learn languages
    Singing is an amazing way to dramatically improve your language learning strategy. To prove to you that I’m serious about this, here is a video of me singing in German.
    (video)

    Reasons to sing

    Music and singing have made a huge difference in my language learning progress over the last seven years, as well as in getting along with the natives of the language. Here are a few reasons why:


    1. Music connects across cultures and can break down barriers. When I have sung people songs they wouldn’t expect me to know and that they like, it has instantly broken the ice. In my first weeks in Berlin, even the start of the Sesame Street song in German helped me to make new friends! If I ever meet Madrileños I usually give them the theme song of Aquí no hay quien viva in an Irish twang. It always impresses them way more than perfect grammar ever will!
    2. Getting to know the music is getting to know the culture and language and sometimes learning languages is like learning a musical instrument.
    3. Learning the lyrics of a song helps you expand your vocabulary and teach you some slang/typical phrases.
    4. Singing can actually help you reduce your foreign-sounding accent! One of the ways I managed to convince Brazilians that I was a Carioca back in December was due to taking intensive singing lessons instead of Portuguese lessons. My music teacher taught me more about sentence rhythm, pronunciation, tones and beat of Portuguese than a foreign language teacher ever would have been able to.
    5. As described in the free chapter of the Language Hacking Guide (subscribe to the Language Hacking League on the right of the site to receive a copy), you can use music and singing to help you learn to speak simple basic essential phrases to get by in a language much quicker.
    6. You can take music with you anywhere and learn and practise it on the move thanks to your MP3 player / mobile phone. While it’s pleasant to have music in the background, make sure to actually pay attention to the words if you want to learn something beyond just being able to hum the tune!
    7. It’s fun! You can put your whole body into singing if you like and let your hair down a lot easier than you would in many speaking situations. You can really enjoy yourself by singing and it helps to improve your mood. Life would be way cooler if people sang more! Did you ever notice how happy everyone is in musicals?


    So don’t be shy, and don’t worry if you don’t have a good singing voice (I don’t think Sony Records are going to be rushing to sign a contract with me based on the video above, but that isn’t the point is it?) and enjoy yourself! "


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    В общем и целом, хорошая тема, но я не знаю как эффективно слушание иностранный язык без субтитром, если вы не понимаете почти ничего. Звучит как плохая тактика. Хотя, пение, эта действительно хорошая тактика. Честно говоря, самая лучшая тактика, эта тактика что причиняет вам изучить больше. Тактика что вам не надоели.
    "Особенно упорно надо заниматься тем, кто ничего не знает." - Като Ломб

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valda View Post
    В общем и целом, хорошая тема, но я не знаю как эффективно слушание иностранный язык без субтитром, если вы не понимаете почти ничего. Звучит как плохая тактика. Хотя, пение, эта действительно хорошая тактика. Честно говоря, самая лучшая тактика, эта тактика что причиняет вам изучить больше. Тактика что вам не надоели.
    слушание иностранного языка без субтитров / слушать иностранный язык
    тактика/техника, которая вдохновляет вас на учёбу
    тактика, при которой вам не надоедает учиться
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    Существует много методик для успешного решения проблем в учёбе. Я думаю, что на различных этапах нужно пробовать, что работает для тебя. По крайней мере, слушание и перевод песен усвоению языка не помешает.

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    I agree with Lampada, music is great for learning..... even if you are tired and not motivated to study, the music works. You hear a great song, or just a song that is played a lot on the radio etc - you understand parts of it, get curious about the bits you don't get and look up the translation. Many of us have used music when we learned English, and it works great for Russian too.

    I keep meaning to start a thread where we post a video with the song and then two columns in table format, one with the original lyrics in Russian, and translation into English. Or some other language, alternatively if a Russian speaking person wants to have a go at translating the other way around - native speakers could then just take a look whether he translation is correct.

    With lyrics there is a certain amount of poetry, or perhaps rhyming or word play involved.
    Sometimes I find that I more or less understand all words, but I still don't get certain parts of the song because it doesn't make any sense.

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