I am going to a school in Dnepropetrovsk. anything I should be aware when going there? all of my old friends I expect to hear you opinions. wiki didn't have much to say. I wanted your personal opinions.
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I am going to a school in Dnepropetrovsk. anything I should be aware when going there? all of my old friends I expect to hear you opinions. wiki didn't have much to say. I wanted your personal opinions.
Good luck. Have a wonderful time. Say hello to my good friend Yushinko.
Don't drink the water. Drink bottled water. I got very sick from drinking tap water.
Watch those cab drivers. They will rip you off. Take the Marshutki buses - they are very cheap and convenient (but crowded).
what is the economy like is it expensive to live there?the thing that is getting me is that I've studied Russian and Ukrainian seems to have 2 letters different.but over all to me it seems the same or very very close. any thank you for your replies.
Are you going there to teach or to study?
to study there is no way I can teach a language yet. :D
You could teach English if you are a native speaker.
Don't drink water straight out of the tap, but if you boil it, you won't get sick. It may not taste good, but a cheap brita filter will take care of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadow1
Drinking nothing but bottled could get expensive.
If you ask the locals what numbers to call for a taxi, they will tell you which ones to use. They will also give you a clue what it should cost, then you can let the cabbie know that you know he's asking too much -- I've never had a problem with cabbies ripping me off. In my experience, they rarely try, unless you look wealthy and ignorant, I guess.
Marshrutkas can be confusing at first because you probably don't know the route it will take, and you have to tell the driver to stop. Once you get your feet under you, though, they are definitely the best transportation option.
Where are you going to be studying and how long?
You'll have no use for Ukrainian there (unlike in Lvov, for example), Dnepropetrovsk is a Russian-speaking city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
Well it's not the most beautiful city in the world, it is very industrial. That whole part of Ukraine is a very industrial area.
If you have a chance, go to the Crimea, as it's not far from Dniepropetrovsk.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Three or even four!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
Є, I, Ї, and optional Ґ - only in Ukranian
Э, Ы, Ъ and Ё - only in Russian
from what I have asked my friends. they say: dont drink water, you can only eat with certian people, dont eat fruit thanks to Chernobyl,90% of the poeple have taburcolosis, and you have a good chance of getting it- theres no cure.the people are really humble and kind.what is the currency like there should I buy clothes here or there cause they re built for the weather there? tell me please how should I prepare to go. I speak decentally enough to be able to read the posts and get the idea on this forum.
any help is much appreciated. :D
dont drink water - don't panic. I've lived all my life here and nobody I know have ever get ill drinking tap water (we always boil it though). So don't be afraid. But bottled and the spring water (it can be easily bought) definetely tastes better. The choice is youth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
dont eat fruit thanks to Chernobyl - ridiculous. Most likely you'll find imported (Turkish, ex-Soviet republics, etc.), local or Crimean fruits. No chance you'll sprout a tail or something eating them.
90% of the poeple have taburcolosis - again, highly exaggerated. There is oficially declared epidemic of tuberculosis in Ukraine, but it's not quite as dramatic, as your friends tales.
In Dnepropetrovsk only about 2,6% of population have tuberculosis. About 75% of them are convicts, alcoholics and homeless people. Unlesst you're going to hang around with them you're not in imminent danger. Just wash your hands and do other ordinary things.
theres no cure - LOL. You probably confused it with Ebola virus. Tuberculosis is treatable, it takes from a few months to a few years, depending on the form and on how long the disease was neglected by the sick person.
you can only eat with certian people - elaborate, please. I have no idea what you're talking about.
what is the currency like there - US dollars will do fine. You'll be able easily exchange them to local currency ("grivnas") at any moment (approximately 5 Grivnas = 1$)
It feels like you're going to hell and not to Dnepropetrovsk, pal. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Krist
I'm on Rtyom and gromozeka's side completely. Even though I've never been to Ukraine, not to mention Dnepropetrovsk, I'm rather certain that the chance of getting ill or something while in Ukraine is almost the same as anywhere in Europe. There are hundred thousands of people in Dnepropetrovsk and they all live somehow. If you have never been to any Russian or Ukrainian city/town before, you might experience "a culture shock", that's what TATY was saying about. The typical industrial style of many post-Soviet towns is probably quite different to what you may expect of an industrial city in the West. But all that doesn't mean that there's a high risk of getting ill because of reputedly bad tap water.
No, I know plenty of people who have gotten sick from Ukrainian water, including me. The "badness" of the tap water is not a matter of opinion or debate, unless you can cite some study for me that shows that tap water in Ukraine is safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReDSanchous
Other than that, I'm sure Sir Krist will have a great time there. Ukraine is a wonderful place in a number of ways. I'm hoping to move to L'viv myself at some point.
I woudln't believe anything on that matter :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paulb
Not only that - each geographic location or area has its own peculiarities concerning the kinds of microorganisms, bacteria and viruses habiting that area, organic acids and other things that affect our metabolism. When we are "at home", i.e. the area we've been living in during the most of our life, we have the immunity against the most spread biological and chemical agents in the area, but when we move somewhere, the orgnism needs time to get accustomed to the new environment so there're bound to be some unhealthy effects. The exact chemical compound of the tap water differs from locality to locality, and sometimes some agent that is used for cleaning the natural water causes allergy.
Since water is the main ingdinient of almost any meal anything we eat or drink in the new place may be potentially dangerous.
I know many cases when perfectly normal food for the locals was causing some bad effects on stranges. And of course, I experience similar effects on myself when I go somewhere far enough. :)
from an article I found:
Currently, 25% of water supply facilities and lines
have reached their expiry date; 22% of supply systems are in a
state of emergency, with 35% worn out and inadequate; half of
the pumping units have depleted their resources, with 40% of
them requiring immediate replacement; 26% of sewerage nets
and 7% of pumping plants are worn-out; moreover, 46% of
pumping plants are to be fully replaced. As a result of this,
45% of the population is consuming water that does not comply with state standards.
from http://www.tni.org/books/waterukraine.pdf
Relative dangers:
Culture shock -- High.
No question, but you will get used to it.
Tap water (unboiled) -- High.
It won't kill you, but you could get "Shevchenko's Revenge" pretty bad.
Tap water (boiled) -- None.
I'm telling you, boil it and put it through a Brita (sold there everywhere) and you won't know you aren't drinking bottled.
Chernobyl -- Very low.
Not even worth worrying about unless you live close by.
I lived in Ukraine for 4 years, I know of what I speak. 8)
Just wonder: are you a microbiologist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Silly questions topic is not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
Well, I think that everyone is different when it comes to drinking water in other countries.
I, for one, have never given thought about the water I have drunk when in even the most remote countries. And, I have never been sick from any water in any country, including Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Mexico, Argentina. I always drink from the same water as the locals, no boiling or anything! Not sick yet!
Sheer luck :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
No, I think it is because of the water I drank when a child. I was raised on rainwater collected from the rain falling on the roof of my house. It was collected into a large tank at the side of my house. And also I drank from every creek and stream in the woods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Oh. That explains everything!
What about puddles in the streets when you were drunk? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
Since you have proof that Ukrainian tap water is really bad and may cause sickness, it seems very hard to me to get into a debate over this matter with you. The only thing that comes to my head with regard to bad tap water is that you're used to super-quality tap water that you get in the US. But it's only a matter of days before your organism makes the necessary inner adjustments so you can drink Ukrainian water without getting sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulb
I hope you don't have any problems when you eventually move to L'viv.
Actually it depends on what paulb calls "sick". I doubt he got dysentery or anything remotely serious (though if you drink unboliled tap water it's possible, albeit very rare).
I suppose (and I hope :)) it was a short period of upset stomach, which could be a result of combined factors (tap water, unwonted food, unwashed fruits, etc.)
WASH ANY FRUITS AND VEGETABLES!!! ALWAYS
Damn close!! Puddles have occasionally looked good to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
But I have actually been so thirsty that I was contemplating drinking out of a dirt tank with a dead cow in it. My friend drank out of it and did not get sick, though. Another time, I remember drinking out of a creek and then I walked up stream a few yards and found a dead sheep in it. I think my stomach is immune from most bugs, now.
:)
Wow! I believe you could die from it. With all that ptomaine and other nasty stuff in carrion bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
На Кольском полуострове в водном походе мы пили, просто зачерпывая кружкой воду за бортом лодки.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT
А мёртвые овцы там вокруг не плавали? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Овец не было, но сёмги было много.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rtyom
Сушняк был? :))Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Another moronic remark. Мне вот интересно, ты и вправду думаешь, что что-то смешное сказал?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
Думать? Пусть лошадь думает, у неё голова большая.Quote:
Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
Правда, charlestonian?
Наверное, не знаю, что теперь "сушняк". Как я понимаю, это сухие дрова для костра. Было навалом, и сушить одёжку делали костры до неба.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikhail_S
"Сушняк" - это когда утром с похмелья очень пить хочется. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Who is stupid now? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by gRomoZeka