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    Yes, something went wrong in the USSR - invention stopped and things stagnated.
    Yes, and what a baffling mystery!

    Are you totally unaware of the beneficial effects seen under Lenin's "New Economic Policy" -- when private entrepreneurship (on a small scale) was temporarily "unbanned", in violation of orthodox Marxist thought? Are you equally unaware of what happened when Stalin ended the NEP and ushered in the "Five Year Plans"?

    Or do you just stubbornly refuse to draw any lessons from these historical observation, lest you be forced to admit that, maybe, Communism is more than an ounce worse than Capitalism? I mean, it's one thing to admire Soviet technical proficiency, and to correct Westerners who underestimate Soviet science. But it's another thing to totally shut your eyes to -- for example -- what a total f**king backwards embarrassment the Soviet agricultural sector was, for most or all of the USSR's history.

    Yet when one breezily says "The capitalist system is not one ounce better," you ARE shutting your eyes to the degrading effects that communist theories had on various sectors of the Soviet economy.

    (At some point, this pretense of being "unbiased" and "not buying into US propaganda" crosses from intelligent historical skepticism into пошлость -- or at least, Nabokov once said this, and I agree with his point.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    Yes, and what a baffling mystery!
    Are you totally unaware of the beneficial effects seen under Lenin's "New Economic Policy" -- when private entrepreneurship (on a small scale) was temporarily "unbanned", in violation of orthodox Marxist thought? Are you equally unaware of what happened when Stalin ended the NEP and ushered in the "Five Year Plans"?
    Well in that case you should also account what happened in 1990s in Russia after transition to Capitalism.
    Demographics and natural population growth:

    Industrial production:


    (1-Russia, 2-Kaliningrad oblast)
    This happened not only in Russia. For comparison, population of Estonia:

    Population of Latvia:

    Population of Ukraine:


    Tuberculosis rate in Russia:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    Yes, and what a baffling mystery!

    Are you totally unaware of the beneficial effects seen under Lenin's "New Economic Policy" -- when private entrepreneurship (on a small scale) was temporarily "unbanned", in violation of orthodox Marxist thought? Are you equally unaware of what happened when Stalin ended the NEP and ushered in the "Five Year Plans"?

    Or do you just stubbornly refuse to draw any lessons from these historical observation, lest you be forced to admit that, maybe, Communism is more than an ounce worse than Capitalism? I mean, it's one thing to admire Soviet technical proficiency, and to correct Westerners who underestimate Soviet science. But it's another thing to totally shut your eyes to -- for example -- what a total f**king backwards embarrassment the Soviet agricultural sector was, for most or all of the USSR's history.

    Yet when one breezily says "The capitalist system is not one ounce better," you ARE shutting your eyes to the degrading effects that communist theories had on various sectors of the Soviet economy.

    (At some point, this pretense of being "unbiased" and "not buying into US propaganda" crosses from intelligent historical skepticism into пошлость -- or at least, Nabokov once said this, and I agree with his point.)
    Че-то после прихода капитализма в Россию сельское хозяйство в ней не выросло, как впрочем и многие другие сферы экономики. А то, что морю стран с правом частной собственности и предпринимательства до советского уровня развития как до Луны, не учитывается?

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