Thread: God's Name

Originally Posted by Hanna

Ok, Sergeant Cold; it's clear that you don't like Islam or Mohammed -- but islam is a major monotheistic faith alongside Christianity: It has an amazing amount of similarities with Christianity and Judaism. Its holy texts interlap. The Allah of Islam and God of Christianity is most likely the same God.

The question is: Who is right or wrong about Mohammed and Jesus (prophet, son of God etc..)? I have chosen to believe that it is Christianity. But nobody can prove any of this with any degree of absolute certainty! That's why it's called faith! Moslems are just as passionate about their faith as we are about ours. (or in the case of some -- as uninterested!!) We should respect Muslims, just as they should respect us.

The ideal situation would be that God accepted anyone with sincere faith in him, who's tried to live a good life.
Some points in the Bible (and probably the Koran, although I haven't read it) would suggest not.. But then there is a lot of room for interpretation when reading the Bible.

When you look at the big picture the Bible tells the story of the battle against God by the Luciferian forces who want to destroy God's creation, Man. Lucifer was kicked out from the place of God and condemned to roam Earth "seeking whom he may devour." In doing so you will see that we on Earth must make choices and be ready to discern between truth and the counterfeits that Lucifer has made as traps for us.

It is all very civil of you to say that we must respect Islam, but the reality is that we must give Islam a hard look before we can respect it and Islam must pass the tests or it not only can be disrespected it must be utterly rejected as Luciferian doctrine.

Jesus brought with him the New Covenant. No longer is Man under the Law. We do not stone people for adultery. We try to work things out without fighting by turning the other cheek. We love our enemies. When Jesus died he said, "It is finished."

In order to believe that Mohamed was a prophet of God and not Lucifer we must look at Mohamed and ask what he brought to this. What did he add? Is it in line with the work of Jesus?

Have you read about the man Mohamed? If you haven't, you should, before you "respect" him and his message. I suggest that you start with Sirat Rasoul Allah. Scroll down to the index and begin here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sira/index.htm

You will find that Mohamed denies the divinity of Jesus and regressed us from loving our enemies to settling our disputes with torture, rape, assassination, theft, slavery and war.
Islam claims that Mohamed was the "perfect example of a man", and the "last" prophet. So whatever Mohamed did will be copied.

I urge you to study this man and then tell me how he is connected to Jesus.

What was in Mohamed's message that Jesus left out? That Jesus forgot to tell us?
If Mohamed was a prophet in the line dating back through Jesus, Abraham and Noah as Mohamed would have us believe, what was it that the world needed to learn from Mohamed?

Lucifer has always tried to counterfeit God's messages to Man. We must test all things. "By the fruits of their works they shall be known." If you "respect" Lucifer's message how can you help those who have already been beguiled by the message? Or is it your intention to remain quiet and let others do the work?

Originally Posted by Hanna

I don't think anyone in Europe is fanatical about religion these days..

And suddenly Sgt. Cold steps in )))

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold

It is all very civil of you to say that we must respect Islam, but the reality is that we must give Islam a hard look before we can respect it and Islam must pass the tests or it not only can be disrespected it must be utterly rejected as Luciferian doctrine.

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold

Jesus brought with him the New Covenant. No longer is Man under the Law. We do not stone people for adultery. We try to work things out without fighting by turning the other cheek. We love our enemies.

O'RLY?

Just for you to think about it, the Christians have spilled more blood than anyone else on this planet.

Originally Posted by Hanna
I don't think anyone in Europe is fanatical about religion these days..

Originally Posted by Ramil

And suddenly Sgt. Cold steps in )))

100-1, he is American.

Sgt Cold - I hear you, but this is an open forum and you are more likely to put people off by this kind of talk, than attracting them. Generally in Europe, the type of view that you express is considered totally un-PC and even un-Christian. It's pretty unusual among Christians here. I don't adhere to it and I respect Moslems.
Out of interest, are you a King James bible only supporter too?

There ARE some (very few!) Europeans with protestant fundamentalist Christian views, but they almost never preach it to others. I have come across it in the North of Scandinavia, and in Scotland. There was such preaching in the village where I went to school for 6 years. But this old-fashioned protestantism is totally different from American Evangelicals (who can be cool, I think, apart from their political opinions). I don't think Catholics are generally fundamentalist in the same way as some Protestants are. They seem to have a more relaxed view, even those who are quite observant.

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold

When you look at the big picture the Bible tells the story of the battle against God by the Luciferian forces who want to destroy God's creation, Man. Lucifer was kicked out from the place of God and condemned to roam Earth "seeking whom he may devour." In doing so you will see that we on Earth must make choices and be ready to discern between truth and the counterfeits that Lucifer has made as traps for us.

Funny enough, 90% of the Christian fundamentalist image of the devil and of hell come directly from Dante Alighieri and Milton, and not from the Bible. And their sources are also mostly apocryphal and not in the Bible.

Dear people! Please do not make me to lock this topic.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Dear people! Please do not make me to lock this topic.

I was amazed at how this thread lasted as long as it did in such a polite and respectful manner on firestorm of a topic. Passions run deep and generations of old teachings and behaviors are hard to change; however, in the famous words of Rodney... Can't we all just get along?