Do Russians do anything for Halloween??
My sister thinks its satanic but I like the candy.
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Do Russians do anything for Halloween??
My sister thinks its satanic but I like the candy.
No, I don't think they do. My Russian teacher insists upon it. But we celebrate Cinco De Mayo, so I don't see why they can't have the same appreciation. Anyways, Halloween is the only time of the year when we can fill ourselves with candy and other unhealthy foods, and not have to pay for it! Whoo-hoo!
Im pretty sure holloween is a strictly american 'holiday'.
As far as I Know some Russians, actually, celebrate it but there aren't too many of them. Of course, it's not so popular as in USA.
And what is the date of Halloween? :?
Halloween is on October 31st.
Biancca, you look scary!!!
I promise to take the hideous picture away after HalloweenQuote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
In Utah if Halloween falls on a Sunday people celebrate it the Saturday before, we wouldn't want to spoil the sabbath
Halloween. It is a pagan holiday Samhain marking a quarter-year, so I would imagine that European pagans including Russians do something for it. There are also cross-quarter holidays, making 8 in all.
Read about it, for example, here:
http://members.tripod.com/~TaraMiller/halloween.html
Notice how Christian holidays fall amazingly close to former pagan holidays. Now why would that be, do you suppose??
1. It "All Hallows Eve" not hallowed
2. We do it in the UK too.
3. The old woman who I lived with in Russia knew what it was.
I think Russians know what it is, but not necesarily do anything for it.
Cos Christians are fucking morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaika
A lot of Russian consider Helloween as just an american version of IVANA KUPALA Day (why? who knows...)
[color=darkblue]Ivan Kupala Day is a holiday that has existed since pagan times. Originally, it was known as “Solntsevorot Day,” which refers to the day of the Summer Solstice, the longest day and the shortest night of the year. This year, Ivan Kupala Day was celebrated on 23-24 June (according to the old calendar). The ancient belief was that the sun is forced down from his way and the girl with beautiful eyes, Zarya (Daybreak), helps him on his way again. She washes him with the early-morning dew from the grassy fields. People believed that water on this day had a specific cleansing force. That’s why many rites of this holiday are connected with water. The word “Kupala” has the same root as the Russian word kupat’sya, meaning “to bathe.” Originally, the holiday was called just “Kupala,” in the name of the pagan goddess. But also on this day the Russian Orthodox Church celebrates the birth of St. John the Baptist (whose name is pronounced in Russian as “Ioann” or “Ivan”). This is the origin of the first part of the holiday’s name. Two holidays – the birthday of St. John and Kupala’s Day – merged into one, but the celebrations remained mostly pagan in nature.
According to the modern calendar, Ivan Kupala Day is celebrated on 7 July, but the festivities start during the night, from 6-7 July. The holiday was especially loved by young people – it was a time for wild fun. Young men often used this occasion to gain the attention of beautiful young ladies. One of the most important attributes of this holiday is Kupala’s bonfires. These fires, prepared by rubbing wood together, were named “living fire.” The fire was the symbolic representation of the sun’s power and the ritual worship based on the increasing reproductive activity of both humans and Nature (fertility of the land and fruiting of the trees). People gathered around bonfires, sang songs, danced, played noisy games, and jumped through the fire, believing that it cleansed them from all sin. Couples jumped through the fire holding their hands. If they managed not to unclasp their hands when they jumped, it was thought to be a sign that they would stay together for a long time.
As mentioned above, most rites of this holiday has something to do with water. Young guys and girls used to bathe in the rivers and lakes together in the night. Girls made beautiful diadems from flowers and then threw them in the water, which they used to guess their fate. Whichever direction the diadem drifted, that is where their fianc
The same reason we still have Soviet holidays. Just with other names. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by chaika
People don't like changes. Especially in such important thing as holidays are. :wink:
I see that you want me to start some more trouble around here! It is because the Roman Catholic church called for the observance of all the Christian holidays to be made out of already existing Pagan celebrations. They did this because the Roman Catholic church was political and corrupted. They were able to get away with this even though there is no scriptural basis because they killed anybody caught with a copy of the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaika
Betcha didn't know that!
Halloween isn't a christian holiday!Quote:
Originally Posted by chaika
Halloween ist mein Gubertstag :D (or is it 'bin mein Geburtstag'?)
Like this:
Ich habe Geburtstag am 31. Oktober.
Danke :D Mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut :oops: Oh well, it will be some day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biancca
I misspelled Geburtstag. :lol:
I had the same problem a couple days ago :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biancca
No, no, it's not a Christian holiday. But DDT is correct about Christian holidays falling close or on the pagan holidays...the Roman Catholic church did this to facilitate the conversion of pagans into Christianity.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
That's a big reason why the Virgin Mary became effectively, if not in Orthodox reality, a diety. She began to be worshipped, in order to replace the "Mother Goddess" of the pagans.
Digressing now...I've never understood the actual Catholic theological explanation of worshipping her on the same level as Christ, and treating her as THE intermediary. For me it seems to go against the grain, the spirit, of the Bible.
Hmm...not so much scary...but sleepy!Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
Must have been a great party.
:wink:
kalinka-vinnie, you're right Halloween isn't a Christian holiday. The Christian holiday is All Hallows Eve. The word Halloween itself is a shortened form of "All Hallows Eve," the day before All Saints Day.
Take a gander at this, straight from the horse's mouth, as it were:
http://www.americancatholic.org/Feature ... efault.asp
My wife is more up on these things than I am, so I asked her. She said that this is a pagan celebration of the new year, which occurred now, not at the end of December. Between the old year and the new year was a between time, between two years, when the spirits could come forth.
I'm in agreement with chaika's wife-but too with the bitchen story of the russian folk holiday. It is currently celebrated as the pagan new year-here in the states.
"Samhain Lore" (pronounced sowe-en)-from Scott Cunningham's Guide to the Solitary Practioner.
It is traditional on Samhain night to leave a plate of food outside the home for the souls of the dead. A candle placed int he window guides them to the lands of eternal summer, and burying apples in the hard-packed earth "feeds" thje passed ones on their journey."
And from Janet and Stuart Farrar's A Witches Bible, "The eve of 1st November, when the Celtic Winter begins, is the dark counterpart of May Eve which greets the Summer. More than that, 1st November for the Celts was the biginning of the year itself, and the feast of Samhain was their New Year's Eve, the mysterious moment which belonged to neither past nor present, to neither this world not the Other. Sahaim is the Irish Gaelic for the month of November; Samhuin is the Scottish Gaelic for All Hallows, 1st November.
For the old pastoralists, whose herd-raising was backed by only primitive agriculture or none at all, keeping the whole herds fed through the winter was simply not possible, so the minimum breeding-stock was kept alive, and the rest were slaughtered and salted--the only way, then, of preserving meat. (hence no doubt, the traditional use in magical ritual of salt as a disinfectant' against psychic or spiritual evil). Samhain was the time when this killing and preserving was done; and it is not hard to imagine what a nervously critical occasion it was. Had the right--or enough--breeding-stock been selected? Would the coming winter be long and hard? And if so, would the breeding stock survive it, or the stored meat feed the tribe throught it?
Crops too had all to be gathered in by 31st October..."
ect ect ect.
"....Samhain, like the other pagan festivals, was so deeply rooted in popular tradition that Christianity had to try to take it over. The aspect of communion with the dead, and with other spirits, was Christianized as All Hallows, moved from its original date of 13th May (hey...? sounds like that russian folk tale time of year) to 1st November, and extended to the whole Church by Pope Gregory 4 in 834. But its pagan overtones remained uncomfortable alive, and in England the Reformation abolished All Hallows. It was not formally restored by the Church of England until 1928, "on the assumption that the old pagan associations of Hallowe'en were at last really dead and forgotten; a supposition that was certainly premature" (Doreen Valiente, an ABC of Witchcraft)
"As for the feast itself--in the banquet sense, the original food was of course a proportion of the newly slaughtered cattle, roasted in the purifying Samhain fire, and doubtless having the nature of ritually offered 'first fruits'; the fact that the priesthood had first call on it for divinatory purposes, and taht what they did not use provided a feast for the tribe, points to this. In later centuries, ritual food known as 'sowens' was consumed. Robert Burns refers to it in his poem Hallowe'en: "Till butter'd sowens, wi' fragrant lunt, Set a' their gabs a-steerin...'
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For any dead friends whose spirits might be visiting, Irish families used to leave some tobacco and a dish of porridge--and some empty chairs--by the fire."
Happy Halloween All :D
:evil: Happy Hallows! :wink:
Heute gratuliere ich dich zu dem Geburtstag! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Joel
Zum Geburtstag viel Gl
You may have never unstood the Catholic theological explanation for "worshipping Mary on the same level as Christ" because Catholic theology has never called for that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobry
Danke! :D
Now I am legally old enough to...
-Drive a car
-Donate blood
-If I get arrested for anything they can legally post it in the news paper
-Drop out of school in some states(not here, and I don't want to anyways)
-(anything im forgetting?)
Have sex with an adult without "them" getting arrested? :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
Woo-Hoo!!! Woo-Hoo!!! Woo-Hoo!!! ......sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosa Anna
"Настали Святки, то-то РАДОСТЬ!" (Пушкин) :twisted:
LOL! Gerty! :lol:
She is quite fetching, aren't she?
Gerty, you never cease to amaze me!
-Fantom
Now, GERTY is scaring me! :lol:
(the gauntlet is thrown!) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by challenger
Au contraire! Perhaps not officially in the writings of the Vatican...but in practice, Mary is dearly worshipped...and prayed to constantly as the intermediary, and diplomat of God. My phrasing may have been overboard, "on the same level", but Catholic liturgy does spend a interestingly large portion of time praying to, worshipping, and honoring Mary. This was my meaning.
Not sure why an intermediary (including the saints) is ever necessary, when you can talk directly to God, no problem. My own belief.
But, whatever...Mary did facilitate a much easier transition into Christianity for the pagans.
Gerty, nice picture! :)
Gerty - аццкий сотона!!! :lol:
«...И взорам адских привиденийQuote:
"Настали Святки, то-то РАДОСТЬ!" (Пушкин)
Явилась дева...» (© он же, там же :D )
What's being happened to your avatars, girls and boys? Kalinka's avatar is the scariest! :o
no time to play with you guys
this thread is typical of Biancca,
next we will have "do russians use dental floss after or before brushing their teeths!!!"
:roll:
Mordan