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    Песня "Прощай"

    "Ты помнишь плыли в вышине, И вдруг погасли две звезды..."
    Who was "плыли в вышине"? Две звезды or Leschenko and his beloved?
    By the way, how can someone sing so cheerfully about "прощание"? I mean, I like Lev Leschenko so much, but isn't one supposed to look sad when saying "Чтоб понять мою печаль, В пустое небо посмотри"?
    Any other fans of Lev Leschenko, Alla Pugacheva, and Dmitri Khvorostovsky? I have learned 40% of the Russian I know by listening to their songs...
    "If in the end, Misha, you are destined to lose this game, there is no need for the reason to be cowardice!"

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    "Ты помнишь плыли в вышине, И вдруг погасли две звезды..."
    Who was "плыли в вишине"? Две звезды or Leschenko and his beloved?
    By the way, how can someone sing so cheerfully about "прощание"? I mean, I like Lev Leschenko so much, but isn't one supposed to look sad when saying "Чтоб понять мою печаль, В пустое небо посмотри"?
    Any other fans of Lev Leschenko, Alla Pugacheva, and Dmitri Khvorostovsky? I have learned 40% of the Russian I know by listening to their songs...
    Literally, the two stars.

    Metaphorically, the two lovers are the stars.... or whatever you want to read into it... Poetry is great that way

    I can't stand Alla Pugacheva. And I'm confused by Pugacheva and Khvorostovsky in the same sentence?

    Khvorostovsky is okay but sometimes he sings roles that he just doesn't have the voice for. It's annoying. But I loved him in the Met production of Onegin with Renée Fleming.
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by quartz

    I can't stand Alla Pugacheva. .
    Why??
    В основном безвреден.

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim Mo
    Quote Originally Posted by quartz

    I can't stand Alla Pugacheva. .
    Why??
    I don't like "estrada" it makes my teeth hurt

    I like some of her "classics" ... her post-Soviet career is just...

    hope I'm not making life-long enemies here lol
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    I'm confused by Pugacheva and Khvorostovsky in the same sentence
    I have to agree that it's a rather odd combination! As a matter of fact, I like the late Yuri Gulyaev very much too.
    I guess I have an idea why you don't like Alka. It's a bit annoying that she thinks it's funny to act like a 16-year-old girlie. But in her youth she was wonderful! Have you watched "Женщина которая поет"?
    As for Khvovostovsky, I simply adore him. Two questions:
    1-Please have a look here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXjY-jtWkvk
    Do you the name of the first song he sings? Is it part of Евгений Онегин?
    2-Where can I download Khvorostovsky's performance of Евгений Онегин with Russian subtitles?
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    I'm confused by Pugacheva and Khvorostovsky in the same sentence
    I have to agree that it's a rather odd combination! As a matter of fact, I like the late Yuri Gulyaev very much too.
    I guess I have an idea why you don't like Alka. It's a bit annoying that she thinks it's funny to act like a 16-year-old girlie. But in her youth she was wonderful! Have you watched "Женщина которая поет"?
    As for Khvovostovsky, I simply adore him. Two questions:
    1-Please have a look here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXjY-jtWkvk
    Do you the name of the first song he sings? Is it part of Евгений Онегин?
    2-Where can I download Khvorostovsky's performance of Евгений Онегин with Russian subtitles?
    Yes the ridiculous behaviour is a huge part of it. I also don't like that kind of sound. I hate "pop"

    1. No it's Italian and the sound is unmistakably Verdi. The aria is "Cortigiani, vil razza dannata" from Rigoletto by Verdi. Rigoletto is cursing the courtiers for tormenting him while he's looking for his daughter.

    Here's that whole scene with the amazing Tito Gobbi.

    This is one of those things I mentioned before. Hvorostovsky doesn't have the voice for Verdi, in my opinion. "Verdi baritone" is its own class. Tito Gobbi is incredible. Of course everyone has their opinion on these things! So feel free to disagree!

    2. I checked my copy of that performance released on Decca. There are no Russian subtitles. However, the libretto should be easy to find so you can follow along. I can PM you a link to where you can get the download of the Decca release (the Met performance) if you want.
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by quartz

    I hate "pop"
    Maybe you like Russian "шансон"?

    I hope you don't!
    В основном безвреден.

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim Mo
    Quote Originally Posted by quartz

    I hate "pop"
    Maybe you like Russian "шансон"?

    I hope you don't!


    aha someone once gave me a CD of Михаил Шуфутинский without any irony whatsoever
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    ...As a matter of fact, I like the late Yuri Gulyaev very much too. ...
    ААААААААААААА Гуляев - МОЙ самый любимый голос!
    А как ты на него вышел?
    viewtopic.php?f=61&t=14222&hilit=%D0%93%D1%83%D0%B B%D1%8F%D0%B5%D0%B2


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeG9TTOafB4 Гуляев - Онегин

    (Появляется Онегин и его камердинер Гильо. Зарецкий,
    увидя их, подходит к Ленскому.)


    Зарецкий

    А, вот они!..
    Но с кем же ваш приятель?
    Не разберу!


    Онегин (раскланиваясь)

    Прошу вас извиненья:
    Я опоздал немного...

    Зарецкий

    Позвольте! Где ж ваш секундант?
    В дуэлях классик я, педант,
    Люблю методу я из чувства,
    И человека растянуть
    Позволю я не как-нибудь,
    Но в строгих правилах искусства,
    По всем преданьям старины!

    Онегин

    Что похвалить мы в вас должны!..
    Мой секундант? Вот, он —
    Monsieur Gillot!
    Я не предвижу возражений
    На представление мое:
    Хоть человек он неизвестный,
    Но уж, конечно, малый честный.
    Что ж, начинать?

    Ленский

    Начнем, пожалуй.

    (Зарецкий и Гильо начинают приготовления к поединку.
    Ленский и Онегин стоят, задумавшись.)


    Ленский и Онегин (каждый про себя)

    Враги!.. Давно ли друг от друга
    Нас жажда крови отвела?
    Давно ли мы часы досуга,
    Трапезу, и мысли, и дела
    Делили дружно? Ныне злобно,
    Врагам наследственным подобно,
    Мы друг для друга в тишине
    Готовим гибель хладнокровно...
    Ах!..
    Не засмеяться ль нам, пока
    Не обагрилася рука,
    Не разойтись ли полюбовно?..
    Нет!.. Нет!.. Нет!.. Нет!..

    (Зарецкий разводит противников и подает им пистолеты.
    Гильо прячется за дерево.)


    Зарецкий

    Теперь сходитесь!

    (Зарецкий три раза хлопает в ладоши. Противники делают
    по четыре шага вперед и начинают целиться.
    Онегин стреляет первым. Ленский падает. Зарецкий и
    Онегин спешат к нему.)


    Онегин

    Убит?..

    Зарецкий

    Убит!

    (Онегин в ужасе хватается за голову.)
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Lampada, what version is this? I've never seen it.
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by quartz
    Lampada, what version is this? I've never seen it.
    Очень старая, из 60-ых. Я думаю, это был фильм. К сожалению, не знаю, как эту версию раскопать. Можно попробовать Пустынника попросить найти и выложить всю оперу. http://www.youtube.com/user/Pustinnik25
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    А как ты на него вышел?
    I'm a rookie at classical music. I like the sound of it so much but I know next to nothing about technical details. Actually I know both Khvorostovsky and Gulyaev for their less classical works. Some opera singers are capable of doing an excellent job in more popular music. The Italian singer Andrea Bocelli is another example, and another favorite of mine. Even Pavarotti tried it too.
    For me, Yuri Gulyaev's voice is forever associated with "Твоя нежность", "Желаю вам", "Русское поле", и.т.д.
    "If in the end, Misha, you are destined to lose this game, there is no need for the reason to be cowardice!"

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    А ещё у нас тут есть Николай Басков.

    Многим нравится.
    В основном безвреден.

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim Mo
    А ещё у нас тут есть Николай Басков.

    Многим нравится.
    OMFG Foolish me went to youtube and typed in "Николай Басков" and then clicked on the video.....

    why did you do this to me?!
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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by quartz
    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim Mo
    А ещё у нас тут есть Николай Басков.

    Многим нравится.
    OMFG Foolish me went to youtube and typed in "Николай Басков" and then clicked on the video.....

    why did you do this to me?!
    This guy is an absolute DISASTER! I watch Russian TV regularly, and darn, he's there all the time!!
    "If in the end, Misha, you are destined to lose this game, there is no need for the reason to be cowardice!"

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by quartz
    OMFG Foolish me went to youtube and typed in "Николай Басков" and then clicked on the video.....
    why did you do this to me?!
    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    This guy is an absolute DISASTER! I watch Russian TV regularly, and darn, he's there all the time!!
    +1000

    Басков is soooo vulgar!
    Please, correct my mistakes, except for the cases I misspell something on purpose!

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Вы чего это?

    Я думал, вам понравится!
    В основном безвреден.

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    Re: Песня "Прощай"

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim Mo
    Quote Originally Posted by quartz

    I hate "pop"
    Maybe you like Russian "шансон"?

    I hope you don't!
    А мне "Бутырка" нравится.
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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